2020 Democratic Candidate Thread - Same Shit, Different Day

Discussion in 'The Mainboard' started by NilesIrish, Mar 4, 2019.

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Who do you support

  1. Bernie Sanders

    41.6%
  2. Elizabeth Warren

    45.6%
  3. Kamala Harris

    1.5%
  4. Pete Buttigieg

    13.2%
  5. Corey Booker

    0.2%
  6. Beto O'Rourke

    1.0%
  7. Julian Casto

    0.2%
  8. Andrew Yang.

    10.0%
  9. Joe Biden

    8.7%
Multiple votes are allowed.
  1. NilesIrish

    NilesIrish Not a master fisher but I know bait when I see it
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    The fact that we are even discussing Pete's policy down to minutiae makes me happy. He keeps getting better, get him on the stage.
     
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  2. NilesIrish

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  3. RSK

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    Right but there's a difference between simply being for a public option as a lot of Democrats are and wanting a public option say as the first year/step of a 4 year implementation/transition process into mca. The former for me is a disqualifier but the second is a lot more palatable/reasonable.

    Most studies show that any type of transition will likely have some type of dependency on private insurers for at least a year or two. That's why I would need him to clarify more on what he means by that and what the timetable looks like.
     
  4. AlternativeFactsRule

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    It’s all about a fear of upsetting the existing private insurance industry so we back into these voluntary public option plans. If we’re doing that then Medicaid for all might be the easier implementation.
     
  5. NilesIrish

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    Pete has said that his m4a plan would include private companies as subsidies for co-pays' etc. if desired, seems like a good plan to me.
     
  6. BWC

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    Which is akin to what Medicare 4 All actually means. A lot of Medicare 4 All touting when people are actually thinking Medicaid.
     
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  7. Randy Turkmar

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    I’ve only just started listening to him. Thought he said that he wants to make it more efficient so it becomes the best and cheapest option. People will want to use it instead of having to use it.
     
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  8. Tilly

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    Fear of upsetting the livelihood of tens or hundreds of thousands of Americans working in the private health insurance industry overnight? Yeah, I'd say that should give us some pause to fully consider every aspect. If someone can present a plan which will protect those people during an overnight transition, I'm all for it. I'm just not sure such a plan exists. I certainly haven't seen it if it does. That's why I'm in favor of a transition period rather than overnight change.
     
  9. NilesIrish

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    That is his plan. His thought is if his plan is correct it will turn into m4a quickly.

    He's simply not promising to ram it down our throats without the data geek in him reviewing it.
     
  10. AlternativeFactsRule

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    It’s not like the need to administer those people goes away. There is no public infrastructure to accommodate 350 million Americans. The logical step is to nationalize the industry that already administers healthcare to most Americans.

    But nobody wants to talk about nationalizing private industry because Democrats are afraid of being labeled socialists by people that won’t vote for them.
     
  11. fuxstockings

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    Pete's my guy. I feel that, until he shows otherwise, he'll be as progressive a president as Congress allows. He also has out of this world relatability. Bernie is my #2 then Warren.
     
  12. AlternativeFactsRule

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    That’s not how it will play out though. People are used to getting their healthcare through their employer and are unlikely to stop doing that unless or until they become unemployed.
     
  13. NilesIrish

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    btw, follow Petes pals on twitter, if you donate they will send you 3 free stickers. My parents may be pissed when they get home from Florida. They both love Pete though.
     
  14. Name P. Redacted

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    Any policy being brought out during a primary that doesn't shoot for M4A out of the gates is a loser. Beginning from a position of compromise is for chumps. Look at how well it worked for Obama.
     
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  15. Detlef Schrempf

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    Honest question, do you not feel like this idea would get spun in a way to make it incredibly unpopular? Not to mention the dollars that would be pouring in from lobbying groups on the opposite side, the noise to accomplish something like this would seemingly in my first real thought about it make it impossible to do.

    Again I admittedly had not given this much thought but it seems like this would be a pretty hard sell to a large portion of the population mostly because of what message is likely to get through, whether intentional or not.
     
  16. AlternativeFactsRule

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    The Republicans nationalized the airport security industry after 9/11. Admittedly that’s a smaller portion of the GDP but the point remains that the only way to effectively utilize the monopoly power of the government to control cost is to get eveyvody on the same plan. You also have to eliminate that middle profit layer between payer and paid. Every half step until we get there is going to fail. If you have a plan of strategic failure until you win enough people over to get to the ultimate solution, that’s fine, but that should stop us from talking about where we need to end up and where we should skip those doomed to fail middle steps.
     
  17. Mister Me Too

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    Isn’t there a chance that the public option is the likely choice of single and young married people without kids because it would be the cheapest option and those young people would offset the cost of the high risk pool? I do agree that the public option fails in the long run but I also believe that it’s the logical next step that eventually phases into M4A.
     
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  18. AlternativeFactsRule

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    I am skeptical that it would be cheaper than most employer provided plans.
     
  19. H/T

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    Sorry for rambling on....

    Missed Pete's town hall but plan to find it somewhere. Watched half if Gabbards.

    Looking at Twitter it seems that Gabbard did well with a lot of people tonight. Still a ton of questions about Assad and kind of dodging those questions with the we need all the evidence angle. However seems like online people enjoyed her. Curious to see if she can do enough to get on the debate stage.

    Now on the flip side.... holy fuck at the twitter response to Pete. He must have done great and there is no doubt tonight was a great night for him and his campaign. He seems to be picking up a lot of steam as a viable candidate so I'm def excited to find the footage.

    This cycle is already so much more enjoyable than the last and I say that still very much a Bernie supporter. But I was also a Hilary hater, had no interest in her getting into office. I also had no interest in Chaffee, Webb or OMalleys ideas. This cycle I feel like I could honestly vote for at least 4-5 candidates right now and be satisfied with the progressive shift in the party.
     
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  20. NilesIrish

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    Pete’s full town Hall has been posted in the trump thread. He murdered it.
     
  21. Name P. Redacted

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    Fuck Tulsi Gabbard IMO.
     
  22. BWC

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    Maybe the Candyman will show up to her hotel in Austin...
     
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  24. NilesIrish

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    CNN knew he was going to kill it. When I saw he had the 9 slot it was obvious, that is there most coveted weekend time.
     
  25. Lenin

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    Pete/Beto ticket imo
     
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  26. Bo Pelinis

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    Alright this dude has another fan. It's awesome listening to someone with a fucking brain in his head.
     
  27. NilesIrish

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    I think I am leaning Pete/Harris right now, but Pete/Beto would be awesome.
     
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  28. Teflon Queen

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    Warren/Pete for me
     
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  29. NilesIrish

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    I said it before but whoever does get the nod needs to make Pete their first phone call.
     
  30. TAS

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    DNC chooses Milwaukee over Houston for 2020 convention :dislike:
     
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  31. NilesIrish

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    I am excite. Only a three hour drive for South Bend to move there for a couple days while Pete takes the nom.
     
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  32. Tug

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    I just donated. You convinced me
     
  33. NilesIrish

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    Caught CNN while eating lunch, they completely ignored the other 2 last night, it's the Pete show.
     
  34. TAS

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  35. Name P. Redacted

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    seems like a smart move considering how Hillary treated WI during the 2016 general. I doubt TX will go blue for 2020. i'm not sure how much it will move the needle though.
     
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  36. TAS

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    Guess the report Stacey Abrams wouldn't run in 2020 is already being refuted by her team, hence the tweet above being deleted

     
  37. bro

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    This is par for the course jargon. Hillary's team said this weeks ago. Not really sure why they say they are looking at all options, maybe for fundraising purposes.
     
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  38. TAS

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    I believe you can continue to bank new donations and retain old unused donations if you have an open political campaign of any sort. So you may be right that not officially ruling out the presidential run gives her more financial flexibility
     
  39. steamengine

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    This is the dream right here
     
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  40. NilesIrish

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  41. -Prime-

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  42. Name P. Redacted

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    This Yang guy is on the entrepreneurship grift? Neat.

    Ok his policy page on his site is good. Fine, Yang.
     
  43. afb

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    Looks like he’s probably good

     
  44. NilesIrish

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  45. cdaysker

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    Just donated to Pete. Let's do this thing.
     
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  46. NilesIrish

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    600k in 24 hours aint Bernie numbers but it's pretty damn good for a nobody.
     
  47. citrodong

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    Pete could win this and I hope he does.

    Yang will hopefully be able to start a conversation that almost everyone in politics is afraid to have right now about universal basic income paid for by taxing those who benefit most from automation.
     
  48. TAS

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  49. bro

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    not sure how that compelling that is. Everyone on Earth already knows Bernie and Biden
     
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  50. NilesIrish

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    Those huge Pete spikes are nice.
     
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