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Discussion in 'The Mainboard' started by NilesIrish, Mar 4, 2019.
The main similarity is being so toxic in the primary to other candidates that your supporters end up staying home on election day. I've heard this didn't happen yet here we are in 2020 and the Bernie supporters seem to have no second choice because everyone else is a snake.
You're basing this on a few replies on a message board?
most of us have openly said warren would be our second choice
the other candidates are shit
I don’t even recall one person in this thread saying they won’t vote for the dem candidate. But don’t let that stop you.
I’m so sick of this fucking narrative. Especially when there’s obviously so much fuckery happening.
Blaming Sanders supporters for Clinton being unable to muster even a functional base is rich. Maybe the Party shouldn't have worked so hard to back someone who was one of the most reviled political figures in the country. Maybe.
Here's some idk data besides posting grievances.
Clinton overperformed the polls only in states that are vulnerable to electronic hacking.
Clinton’s strong performance can be traced to strong performance with African-Americans, but that doesn’t tell the full story: Even when we adjust for this alternative explanation in all sorts of ways, Clinton still performed better in states that are most vulnerable to electronic hacking (to reduce overfitting and multicollinearity we suggest trying models that merge Latinos/Asians and dropping European-Americans who are indirectly represented in resulting models.)
Download data on Clinton’s popular vote %, Census 2010 ethnic breakdowns by state, and paper/no paper trail.
Exit polls were particularly “off” in states that were most vulnerable to electronic hacking.
Clinton’s performance boost in these types of states did not occur in 2008 (Obama did not benefit either.)
How the hell is it 13 hours after the caucus started and we have literally zero results
Counting is hard
Because Bernie Bros are mean online and ~*~dEmoCraACy is MeSsY~*~
I was just thinking “what targeted Russian propaganda are these Bernie Bros getting that I’m not to make them this agitated?”
Dawg, MayorCheat is trending on twitter. Let's not play dumb it doesn't do us any good here.
Oh no not the trending section of Twitter
Don't say mean things about my candidates!
Odd thing to say in the midst of ignoring data to focus on hashtags.
Twitter is a cesspool this morning
Ok so I can't use interactions here, and I can't use twitter. Well I guess with those two out then all Bernie supporters are really accepting of other candidates. My bad.
Of course they are, the DNC is incompetent and the Senate is about to acquit on party lines just like everyone expected.
funny that any of you still like pete after he completely changed his platform after realizing he couldn’t compete with bernie or warren
can’t wait for him to fade into irrelevancy after the iowa results are in
You could use actual hard data that says otherwise
No one likes Pete.
fixed that for you
FWIW, I'm not accepting of other candidates, but not because I'm in some personality cult-- because they suck.
Warren: As you can see from her slow disavowal of the most popular parts of Sanders' platform (debt reduction, M4A) she is a liberal-- that is, a capitalist with gentle social views-- who thinks technocratic reforms can fix our problems. They can't. See the Obama Presidency.
Buttigieg: This is someone who can't run his small town. He has a history of imperialist activity and seems to have lived his entire life to be President. He has a history of involvement with military intelligence, which we now know is linked to everything from illegal torture to child sex trafficking.
Biden: This man is senile, gaffe prone, a liar, and has a history of collaborating with racists. No thanks.
Klobuchar: If you're into the establishment, I can see the appeal. She basically says she'll do nothing for the Dem base but pretend it's 1993. Again, no thanks.
This isn't personal. Their platforms suck. The DNC has a proven history of pushing people around in the primaries to get them to back a centrist. It isn't a good idea. We just did this. That centrist shitstick loses to Trump.
what are you in here complaining about then?
none of us are saying we wouldn’t vote for him if he was the nom somehow, but he’s a fucking rat and until that happens, i’ll continue to call him as such
And who the hell said you're supposed to be nice to each candidate in the primaries? It's a fucking competition. And that gloves-on shit has literally never been true before 2016. Clinton started the birther shit!
This is going to hurt Biden:
1. When the results get reported, they are going to be bad for him.
2. Sanders will win NH.
3. Rank and file Democrats are pissed at the DNC for this incompetence.
4. As the establishment candidate, Biden will take that heat.
No candidate is gonna have enough delegates outright right? Like this is for sure headed to a brokered convention
This thread is a cesspool this morning.
lol @ being not accepting of Warren as a candidate....literally fuck off and go back into hiding
For sure, and they'll use that juncture to anoint someone awful. Split the Party, Make Liberals Offer the Left Something Again. Haven't had a concession since the New Deal.
Wow, toxic posting. So very Liz.
I'm sure this has been asked ten thousand times, but why didn't they just use this old fashioned technology called the telephone to report the results?
You're quite the typical Twitter Bernie Bro. Living up to the stereotype
This is the most infuriating thing being pushed by the Neera Tandens and Soledads. Oh, something was mean in Twitter? Such toxicity!!!
“Rigged election” is fun but this is the reality of why it isn’t.
That said, fuck Iowa and this caucus bullshit.
So I'm part of a diverse group of people who want to nominate someone who represents their interests instead of telling them to stay in line and support policies they don't? The Daily Kos is awful but here's a nice aggregation of a ton of stats showing that diversity:
I'm really not sure why you're flailing around mad at me for wanting a candidate that has a platform that works and is popular. Warren's refusal to embrace what gave her initial popularity is somehow my fault, or the fault of people who agree with me?
No, you're living the Bernie Bro stereotype. Has nothing to do with Bernie and his other supporters and everything to do with you.
These are discussions we've had here for months. You're late to the party. You're acting like an imbecile and fulfilling the Bernie Bro stereotype.
In short, you're a jackass.
Maybe don't have a trump +9 state in the lower half of the population rankings mean so much in the first place
Do cult members typically know they are in a cult?
Ok, sorry about that. Certainly wasn't my intention.
I would think an organization at least.
Should’ve known this was dumb after the satellite caucuses were popping up in Florida and Paris. Just do ballots
I don't know if I'm allowed to talk about this per Stinky, but:
1) the overt rigging was directly tied to electronic, untraceable systems, as the data showed above. I think people are rightly averse to the app because of that.
2) the fear is their structural electioneering, not falsifying paper ballots, I think.
Establishment bros really showing their asses this morning
honest question regarding Liz and Bernie differences. What do you think would policy wise if Bernie won the presidency considering he has refused to consider eliminating the filibuster?
Because the Iowa Dem party was willing to set themselves on fire tonight.