2020 Democratic Candidate Thread

Discussion in 'The Mainboard' started by NilesIrish, Mar 4, 2019.

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Who do you support

  1. Bernie Sanders

    20.6%
  2. Elizabeth Warren

    76.5%
  3. Kamala Harris

    1.5%
  4. Pete Buttigieg

    29.4%
  5. Corey Booker

    1.5%
  6. Beto O'Rourke

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  7. Julian Casto

    1.5%
  8. Andrew Yang.

    10.3%
  9. Joe Biden

    2.9%
Multiple votes are allowed.
  1. Blu Tang Clan

    Blu Tang Clan Whose moronic idea was it to order dry beers?
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    Yep. She’s lapped the pack in my mind.
     
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  2. Redav

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    Thank god
     
  3. NilesIrish

    NilesIrish Not a master fisher but I know bait when I see it
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    I'm still on the Pete train, but you're right, his poll numbers keep steady but with him now swimming in the big pond and fundrasing his ass off, he's fallen off a bit.

    I think I, like most, of us have been consuming stuff from everyone.

    I did like his answer to Trump going after him on China with a Chinese proverb, low key shade.
     
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  4. naganole

    naganole Vox Populi Vox Dei
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    The Mike Gravel campaign will deserve an MVP at the end of this cycle.
     
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  5. Name P. Redacted

    Name P. Redacted I have no money and I'm also gay
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    My donation was $4.20 well spent.
     
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  6. indeed

    indeed DMV
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    Haven’t jumped onboard with anybody yet but Warren and Harris have my interest so far.

    I’d really prefer the field to narrow down quickly in order to focus on the real objective, taking out Trump. We don’t need a clown car of 12 deep into the primary. Most of them are in it for their own version of grift and self promotion, as they have nil chance.
     
  7. Drunkle Tom

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    I think you'll see a mass exodus following the first debate. Obviously those who don't make it will exit, but I think some of the bigger names like Castro and Gillibrand will pull out if they don't make a big splash at the first debate. Lest we forget that out of the 20+ candidates, only 6 or 7 have met both criteria to get on the debate stage.
     
  8. PeterGriffin

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    According to 538, these have qualified based on polling and donor quantity.
    Joe Biden
    Cory Booker
    Pete Buttigieg
    Julian Castro
    Tulsi Gabbard
    Kamala Harris
    Amy Klobuchar
    Beto O’Rourke
    Bernie Sanders
    Elizabeth Warren
    Andrew Yang

    The have-nots:
    John Delaney
    Kirsten Gillibrand
    John Hickenlooper
    Jay Inslee
    Tim Ryan
    Eric Swalwell
    Marianne Williamson
    Michael Bennet
    Seth Moulton
     
  9. NilesIrish

    NilesIrish Not a master fisher but I know bait when I see it
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    I am surprised Gillibrand has not qualified. Thought she was gonna have a pretty easy time. Inslee as well. Guessing they both get there, the rest....Who the hell knows. I see a few of the "top tier" fading but not many. It'll be interesting if they keep to the idea of not going JV and V or if they switch when some folks don't make the cut.
     
  10. lechnerd

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    This is a good post.
     
  11. Bricktop the white

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    The field should be trimmed to Biden, Bernie, Warren, Harris, Pete, Beto and yang. Everyone else is boring.
     
  12. Joe_Pesci

    Joe_Pesci How can less be more? It's impossible
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    Yang lol

    How is he relevant other than showing up on Joe Rogan's podcast?
     
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  13. Lyrtch

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    yanggangyanggangyanggang
     
  14. Bricktop the white

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    he's the only candidate who's actually recognized the post-automation future. Everyone else is miles behind. a $15 hour minimum wage won't mean shit when you've got 40% structural unemployment. His policy platform is the by far most well developed and most interesting of any candidate. Only warren comes close.

    Klobuchar, booker, gillibrand, molton delany etc offer nothing of interest and are simply worse version of the major candidates.

    Gabbard's "anti-imperialism" stance is actually just bought and paid for public lobbying from russia.
    Inslee recognizes the other pressing problem of the world but has yet to poll above 0 or generate any real donor base or support.
     
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  15. Joe_Pesci

    Joe_Pesci How can less be more? It's impossible
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    UBI is charity from a ruling class that will only become stronger in that era.
     
  16. Bricktop the white

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    :meh:
     
  17. Joe_Pesci

    Joe_Pesci How can less be more? It's impossible
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    What kills me is that you had nothing but the most excoriating takes on our Silicon Valley overlords like a year ago but now you're all in on with their software patch to prolong the Capitalist Dream for as long as possible?

    Also consider giving yourself a big :meh: for making an argument for a policy platform on the basis that it's "the most interesting." That's like the cousin of talking about who's the most electable or the most serious or who's tall enough.
     
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  18. Bricktop the white

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    Hit me with more debunked hot takes about how direct cash transfers aren't the best way to cure poverty. He is the only candidate that recognizes that automation is going to require a massive societal restructuring or else you're going to end up with a few Elon musk types mowing people down with drone strikes.
     
  19. Lyrtch

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    left thread topic but

    reformists vs revolutionaries* part 34156024526045204530410

    *could be black pilled instead
     
  20. NilesIrish

    NilesIrish Not a master fisher but I know bait when I see it
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    You got out over your skis at the end. He does have the most comprehensive plan to date, but others have also brought it up. Warren. Bernie, Beto, Pete. Those are the ones who have addressed to my knowledge. Likely more.
     
  21. Joe_Pesci

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    I'll give Andrew Yang this

    He has a policy position on circumcision
     
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  22. Joe_Pesci

    Joe_Pesci How can less be more? It's impossible
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    And you think UBI will prevent this hellworld? Who do you think is going to own and control the robots? The people on Elon Musk's welfare roll?
     
  23. Joe_Pesci

    Joe_Pesci How can less be more? It's impossible
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    I dont even see myself as a revolutionary because I'm fine with voting for whichever Democrat emerges. But if we're going to have a "primary of ideas" or whatever people keep calling this massive field, then yeah I'm going to take a dump on the 2020 version of whatever Ron Paul was a decade ago 10 times out of 10
     
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  24. Lyrtch

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    my point is i've not found any of the critiques of UBI convincing

    (disregarding revolutionaries and blackpill critiques)
     
  25. Joe_Pesci

    Joe_Pesci How can less be more? It's impossible
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    Another thing that dismays me about the hype behind UBI is that people thought we needed big university studies where they gave poor people money and kept track of how they spent it, as if it was some big revelation that they didn't use it to go get high or buy expensive sneakers or whatever (or that the type of people who believe they were likely to do this with free money would be swayed by a big university study). They could have just looked at what those people have done with their tax returns for forever, like pay off credit card debt from Christmas or buy new tires.
     
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  26. indeed

    indeed DMV
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    Really impressed with Warren and how she is navigating the early stages of the campaign.

    Question is can she hang with funds, and translate her policy chops and straightforward communication into broader appeal.
     
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  27. Joe_Pesci

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    Is "liberal firebrand" going to be a thing?
     
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  28. The Banks

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    Polling says she'd beat Trump in a general.
     
  29. NilesIrish

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    I think right now 5 would if we are talking about the same poll. That's good.
     
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  30. NilesIrish

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    I'll do my late night Pete dump.

    Go to about the 18m mark in here for new stuff. It's good.
     
  31. Anison

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    Tulsi Gabbard flying solo in the “GTFO” category, I see. EDIT: Goddammit I skipped right by her. How the fuck had she “qualified”?
     
  32. NilesIrish

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    Yeah she is the only one that surprises on that list.
     
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  33. Lyrtch

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  34. PeterGriffin

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    It really is just too early. Maybe 20% of the electorate is paying any attention at this point. We are the outliers that eat up every soundbite and have our strong opinions.
     
  35. AptosDuck

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    Just ordered a "Warren Has a Plan for That" shirt from her campaign site
     
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  36. Beeds07

    Beeds07 Bitch, it's Saturday
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    I'm ordering one
     
  37. She and Mayor Pete have some very good graphic designers on staff.
     
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  38. AptosDuck

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    I haven't been to his merchandise page lately, but hers is very good. Lots of clever slogans on shirts, mugs, stickers, etc.
     
  39. I'm just talking about the actual design, not necessarily the content. I'm not sure how much the graphics folks actually have to do with the design. The content probably falls more on the marketing/PR folks, unless they are one in the same.

    I want to buy some of their merch just because I respect the design work immensely.
     
  40. AlternativeFactsRule

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    The persist responsibly pint glass is sold out
     
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  41. AptosDuck

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    It's like a Nintendo platform rollout; didn't they realize what kind of demand they'd be dealing with?
     
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  42. That's just elite tier marchandising right there.
     
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  43. AptosDuck

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    Miss Economic Predistribution is actively trying to create a black market for Liz Warren Glassware
     
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  44. She can't control everything. Blame the supply chain person.
     
  45. NilesIrish

    NilesIrish Not a master fisher but I know bait when I see it
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    I as a Pete/South bend stan love his logo, they did a great job there, his merch is nice but disjointed, other's jumped out before they released "official" merch. So shit is all over the board. The official "bridge" design is great.
     
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  46. AptosDuck

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    [​IMG]
     
  47. bro

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    not sure which coffee mug I want. Maybe the "I want my coffee like I want my middle class: Strong."
     
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  48. AlternativeFactsRule

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    Go with the Union one.
     
  49. bro

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    I don't want to be some union poser. Don't have anyone in my life that works in one. Middle class is more up my alley. I'll keep everyone posted
     
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