2020 Democratic Candidate Thread

Discussion in 'The Mainboard' started by NilesIrish, Mar 4, 2019.

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Who do you support

  1. Bernie Sanders

    42.9%
  2. Elizabeth Warren

    45.4%
  3. Kamala Harris

    1.5%
  4. Pete Buttigieg

    13.8%
  5. Corey Booker

    0.3%
  6. Beto O'Rourke

    1.0%
  7. Julian Casto

    0.3%
  8. Andrew Yang.

    9.7%
  9. Joe Biden

    7.4%
Multiple votes are allowed.
  1. wes tegg

    wes tegg I'm a Guy's guy, guys.
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    "Outside of that, Mrs. Lincoln, how was the show?" But, seriously, it wasn't just Clyburn. Biden secured major black democratic endorsements everywhere. And, he did the "traditional" groundwork in black communities: he advertised on tv and black-owned radio stations and put out yard signs. He has decades of support in black communities, so he really didn't have to do as much.

    Regardless, my point is that Bernie did far less than he needed to do. That can be true regardless of what Biden did.
     
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  2. wes tegg

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    You comment wasn't responsive to my point (unless you were being sarcastic and I missed it). Attending a black ministers' meeting and getting an Al Sharpton endorsement the week of the South Carolina primary is not campaigning to black people.
     
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  3. Redav

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    Lol ok.
     
  4. Pile Driving Miss Daisy

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    Replace 9/11 with Obama.

     
  5. Pile Driving Miss Daisy

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    You are hand-waving a LOT here, Bernie did some insane amount of work this cycle if you paid attention at all. He transformed his staff completely, he specifically got tons and tons of black volunteers (especially in South Carolina) to knock on tens of thousands of doors, and several months in the run-up to this cycle he was in South Carolina multiple times holding town halls about healthcare and poverty. He of course needed more, but acting as if it's all within his control isn't true especially when you consider the actual amount of real work Biden did is minuscule by comparison.
     
  6. Bricktop the white

    Bricktop the white Well-Known Member

    Black voters, while Dem loyalists, tend to skew older, more religious and more conservative. Bernie faced a major uphill battle there.
     
  7. wes tegg

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    I'm not blaming Bernie. I said Faiz Shakir deserves some of the blame. Also, the article to which I responded had several Bernie staffers who disagree with that account of the efforts.
     
  8. RSK

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    I can't take any criticisms of what Bernie's campaign did seriously when Biden didn't even have a campaign.

    He didn't advertise or have field offices in any super tuesday states. It didn't matter. That's one thing this primary has made clear to me. Grassroots funding door to door campaigning all of that means jackshit in the face of establishment media. At least with regards to Boomers.
     
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  9. Pile Driving Miss Daisy

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    I think they rightly realized that not losing big in SC was a moonshot and were poised to come out of Super Tuesday with a big lead, but couldn't anticipate the insane free press Biden got when everyone dropped out at the same time and endorsed him and how much people just ate that shit up. I'd be less bitter if they chose Warren, Klobs, or even Pete since they're not senile but this shows how little people honestly care to think about politics and just want to be told who to vote for by the media.

    Honestly, if Biden is elected in November, can he even serve a full-term or will they hide him as much as they're hiding him now? His team cancelled some Coronavirus town hall he was supposed to do today.
     
  10. Name P. Redacted

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    Whether or not Bernie did enough to reach out to black voters, we still have the unprecedented move of two candidates dropping out right before Super Tuesday and endorsing biden. No candidate in Bernie’s position would have survived that.
     
  11. wes tegg

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    I think that a candidate would have had a better job surviving that if his strategy hadn't been to win without a majority from the outset. :twocents:

    And, I don't want the criticisms of Bernie's campaign to come across as a celebration of Biden or anything like that. It fucking sucks that Joe Biden is the nominee, and it fucking sucks worse that Joe Biden is the nominee at fucking 77 years old. Everything leading up to that fucking sucks.
     
  12. Lyrtch

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    Bernie did TONS of black outreach and campaigning, it just didn't work well enough for various reasons we've rehashed at length. They also made a decision to focus their resources on states they had a high chance of winning vs shrinking the margin SC.

    The simplest argument for how all this played out is that Bernie was the favorite going into 3 states he was likely to win so got small bumps as consequence. Bumps are a by product of expectations and they're set by as Silver beat the drum for endlessly, national expectations not state by state ones. SO, Biden being in like 4th going into SC but then dominating SC gave him an enormous bump which through candidates dropping and endorsing made it even bigger. There's an argument to be made that Biden doing so poorly in the first few states actually helped him that isn't unreasonable.
     
  13. Lyrtch

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    candidate decisions and performance are only but a portion of what determines outcomes part 3145130451359
     
  14. Name P. Redacted

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    Being the plurality winner was Bernie’s only chance. I will be extremely disappointed if the autopsy shows the campaign didn't try, but it does/did appear that they did. Bernie's rhetoric has always been more about class than race.

    it's gonna be real cool when trump is taking the oath in jan and nilesirish is still chuckling to himself "man that's just pete being pete, gotta love it".
     
  15. wes tegg

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    I think being the plurality winner was Bernie's only chance without some movement toward the middle (and/or coalitions with opponents). He was admirably uncompromising on that end. That's why I genuinely like him as a man and a leader. I don't have any criticism for him, really. His appeal comes from not being a pragmatist, which was kind of his undoing. I agree that to an extent that was probably an inevitability. It's just so fucking disappointing that there were mistakes that seemingly didn't have to be made.

    I acknowledge a lot of this is with the power of hindsight.
     
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  16. Iron Mickey

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    Even a significant portion of black theorists argue that race is secondary to class in social analysis. FWIW.
     
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  17. JGator1

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    Cable news pretty much cheered on Trump and has propped up electable Biden ever since the day after the 2016 election. If they'd screamed for 3+ years that Corey Booker is electable and the guy who can beat Trump does anyone doubt Booker would be the nominee at this point?
     
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  18. herb.burdette

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    I vote for pragmatism.
     
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  19. bro

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  20. ned's head

    ned's head Well-Known Member

    Fuck it, let's get weird

     
  21. wes tegg

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    I doubt anyone is watching this Biden "happy hour," but here's a link:



    The folks asking him questions are pretty impressive, which gives me hope.
     
  22. momux

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    Not going to bother watching but I think that’s generally the point more moderate Democrats make. Yeah joe may be going a little senile but he will have the good sense to surround himself with talented intelligent people and take their advice.
     
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  23. ashy larry

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    wish he was alive to address this

     
  24. bro

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    Not sure the guy who is gonna spend there next year managing the state hardest hit by the pandemic should pivot to running your POTUS just as the pandemic takes off in the US. That’s just me though
     
  25. i am a bammer

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    I thought most NYers hated him?
     
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  26. Name P. Redacted

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    Americans are easily impressed and have short memories.
     
  27. Redav

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    Well that was bad. How come this never got more traction?
     
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  28. CaneKnight

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    Gonna be Hilarious if Biden wins and just pardons everyone in the Trump admin for their transgressions in an effort to bring the country together. Which is exactly what will happen btw.
     
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  29. Tobias

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    can we start saying fake joe biden or fjb? because the real joe biden passed away last week and was replaced by a barely believable body double
     
  30. Tobias

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    "faux biden" is also acceptable
     
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  31. wes tegg

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  32. Redav

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  33. hipsterjoe

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    haven’t been in here for a bit - did the biden sexual assault stuff get posted?
     
  34. bro

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    Last night
     
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  35. Tobias

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  36. HoosDaMan

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    Bros getting desperate.
     
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  37. HoosDaMan

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    So did a gay mayor, but he was racist though.
     
  38. DeToxRox

    DeToxRox Misbehavin’
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  39. Tobias

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  40. Joe_Pesci

    Joe_Pesci lying dog-faced pony soldier
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    why is #eat at the end there?
     
  41. Iron Mickey

    Iron Mickey is this thing on?
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    jimmy implores you to consume during this tragic crisis
     
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  42. i am a bammer

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    Desperate the Dem nom is going to shit his Depends from his well-lit, but low ceiling, basement
     
  43. Tobias

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    sexual assault allegations against a guy who is documented as being creepy already and who's used his power before to be abusive towards women lol the bros are so desperate believe all women tho
     
  44. TrustyPatches

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    I personally didn’t accuse joe biden of sexual harassment nor did any other bro that I know of so I don’t think we’ve got that desperate yet
     
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  45. Name P. Redacted

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    *john mulaney bit about ice-t on law and order SVU*
    so you're telling me that a guy who has years and years of video evidence of strange and inappropriate contact with women in very public situations may have gone further in a private setting?
     
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  46. Tobias

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    of course she waits until he is dead and can't defend himself to make these accusations
     
  47. indeed

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    Why is water wet? Why are Bros such Assholes? This and these, obviously.

     
  48. RSK

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    Pete's never winning shit :blessed:
     
  49. Tobias

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    i know for a 100% fact you posted that neera “believe women” tweet itt. shameful that now you don’t when it’s not convenient. no surprise tho from someone who mocks how women look because of who their preferred candidate is