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Discussion in 'The Mainboard' started by NilesIrish, Mar 4, 2019.
The Lincoln Project, for better or worse, is gonna be around all campaign season. So I don’t care to explain it to you any further. Hth
My question wasn't about its existence you simpleton, it's about all these Democratic voters openly welcoming them into the party's fold.
Booker has opened a 21,000 lead with Jefferson County public. It’s 160,443-139,963 with 82% of precincts reporting 59% of all votes.
Booker up 88,116-52,224 in Jefferson (Louisville) and 27,552-24,005 in Fayette (Lexington).
Booker isn't winning that race. McGraths margins are too big on early vote.
Because Trump is one of the worst human being to ever exist and we need him out of office
RTs are not endorsements, buddy. Continue to rage on this AM though.
ya, I have seen a couple people say they are close to calling it.
That’s a smaller than expected lead in Fayette is the problem.
Yes 1b, never question authority or hold our elected officials to a higher standard. Just keep toeing the party line no matter what alarms you.
We can walk and chew gum at the same time.
what are you even talking about? You've lost the point. Sorry a conservative PAC against Trump has you losing your marbles this morning, but twitter users RTing their videos does not mean they will forming democratic policy in 2021.
You keep asking and almost every reply has been that they're helpful for the short term but not the long term. Who are these people welcoming them in you keep bringing up? You seem like you're arguing a point that only you are making.
No one is welcoming them to the party.
We are cheering a fight that has just broken out on our opponent’s sideline, hoping everyone over there hurts each other while we watch.
Everyone understands that they are grifters. But they are currently effective grifters.
Nobody is letting them into the hen house here. Just a classic let them fight situation.
One answer: libs
That’s my congressman.
I thought this was leaning the other way a few days ago
I wouldn't be alarmed if you didn't see neocons being buddies with people at CAP, can you honestly tell me that they won't have any influence over a Biden administration?
No one is saying they shouldn't run ads, it's the people openly saying they'd hire them. Yes Bharara isn't an elected official, but he is friends with so many of the DNC members.
Sorry that I'm worried about the Democratic party getting co-opted by the worst kinds of people in the world.
Not stunned Dan can't see the facts right in front of him.
It was, but no one knew how the mail votes would break.
If only would have told me about the Lincoln project before I started to believe in austerity policy
Is he talking about hiring them to craft policy or hiring them to create ads?
Does it matter? You may think it does, I don't. We went for how many pages when Bernie's campaign used Joe Rogan in an ad? Again, I realize I'm on a message board and shooting from the hip, but you cannot honestly tell me that the never-Trumpers aren't actively buddies with many DNC party officials. I think skepticism is warranted, that doesn't mean I'm not going to vote for Joe.
Because they're running great ads against Trump. I agree that it's shortsighted, but still, "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" is hardly groundbreaking.
Do they even have policy in their ads?
Of course they'd hire them -- to make ads. Hate them all you want, but they're incredibly effective at messaging.
The context is that I feel this is a larger part of the party trying to be co-opted by neocons, I'm not viewing this in a vacuum.
Since Indiana redistributed the Indiana 5th, it went R35, R27, and R13 in congressional races from 2014-2018. A D6 lead there is a pretty fundamental shift in the NE Indy suburbs.
This is the wealthiest district in Indiana.
You're looking for a reason to bitch.
McGrath vs McConnell
You don't have concerns about what a Biden administration looks like?
Never said I wouldn't vote for him, but I don't know why there's no need to be skeptical.
WHY IS EVERYONE FAWNING OVER THE LINCOLN PROJECT?!
Who is doing that?
[POSTS TWEET IN CONTEXT OF ADS]
Yeah, that's in the context of ads.
I'M NOT VIEWING THIS IN A VACUUM!
That's another strawman that no one is arguing. Of course I'm concerned about what a Biden administration could look like.
Nah he’s just bitching in the wrong bar
That's the whole point of my skepticism, do you honestly think everything here is unrelated? It's a fucking message board, of course I'll bitch about something that I find deeply important. I'll be more than happy to be wrong that none of this shit matters, I just don't like what I've seen. /shrug
I think that you're mistaken thinking that the Lincoln Project is having any success in any way other than what those guys have always been good at -- messaging. They're swiftboating Trump. It's nice to have their guns pointed at somebody else for a change. I don't think anyone is going to be paving the way for George Conway to be solicitor general or Rick Wilson to be chief of staff. They're still Republicans now, and they'll still be Republicans in 2021.
BLM, suburban engagement, progressives unseating dem stalwarts...all of those things will help shape Biden’s admin.
The worst. On the positive, plenty of grassroots energy and cash to go elsewhere now into races with a higher chance of winning. Would've loved to see Booker give Mitch a run for his money, but odds are it would've been just a money pit.
I just feel like you're viewing this is macro when its honestly micro. Maybe I'm wrong, butn even the post you used seems to be talking more about their effectiveness at messaging, something the DNC is woefully inept at, since as someone else mentioned, none of their ads speak on policy since the Lincoln Project has no issue with Trump policy wise, just the way he shouts their quiet shit loud.
I just dont read any of what is going on as anyone co-opting idealism from them long term, just getting Trump out of the WH needs to happen.
More interesting news from the (formerly) red suburbs.
Democrat Karen Berg just won a special election for the Kentucky 26th Senate District. This includes part of Jefferson County and all of Louisville’s suburban Oldham County.
Oldham has grown from 15,000 residents in 1970 to almost 70,000 today. These are eastern suburbs along the Ohio River heading on I-71 toward Cincinnati.
Oldham County has not gone blue in a Presidential since 1964. It was R31 in 2016 and R37 in 2012.
It’s blue today.
He doesn’t say he supports their ideals, just that he would hire them. Prob because the majority of ads are effective.
I’m a bit less concerned after his messaging of late. It seems his advisors and managers are subtly pushing him left.
I’m withholding judgement until he decides between Warren and Harris