2020 Presidential Election Thread

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Who do you support

  1. Bernie Sanders

    37.3%
  2. Elizabeth Warren

    36.6%
  3. Kamala Harris

    2.5%
  4. Pete Buttigieg

    11.0%
  5. Corey Booker

    0.8%
  6. Beto O'Rourke

    1.0%
  7. Julian Casto

    0.8%
  8. Andrew Yang.

    8.9%
  9. Joe Biden

    22.6%
Multiple votes are allowed.
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  1. Iron Mickey

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    ok, ok, here is my big tent:
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    -imperial war criminals
    -climate change deniers
    -anti-reproductive rights legislators
    -racists
    -xenophobes
    -jet ski dealership owners
     
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  2. Name P. Redacted

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    Are you talking about ravenole’s Montana tweet?
     
  3. Tobias

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    actually i think it’s pretty dang cool that the dnc is embracing literal gop war criminals over the left. that is good to me
     
  4. Iron Mickey

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    is it nearly time for socialist party stew
     
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  5. Tobias

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    that’s your battle friend. i was talking about bro’s dismissiveness of this very reasonable tweet

     
  6. Gritty Badger

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    nah it’s a political statement. keep doing you while the Rs keep killing off minorities in your state and all across the country with the worst run pandemic response on the planet. make sure you do your part so they get to stay in charge calling the shots!
     
  7. Upton^2

    Upton^2 blocked just a park away, but I can't really say
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    Only people this appeals to started following this stuff in 2016 and whose reaction is "OMG this trolls Trump so much!"
     
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  8. CaneKnight

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    Also you should learn what the definition of a political statement
     
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  9. Gritty Badger

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    Nah I’ll just be a grownup and vote for Biden. Didn’t vote for him in the primary but I’m not going to take my ball and go home like a little bitch.
     
  10. Iron Mickey

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    This is amazing. We're watching ideology in action. Faced with a slew of evidence that the Democrats are virtually indistinguishable from the Republicans, it is still incumbent upon everyone to vote for the Democrat, no matter what their policy.
     
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  11. Tobias

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    what if they end up having W speak
     
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  12. CaneKnight

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    Once again you need to learn the definition of a political statement. Also Bill Clinton has probably been more detrimental to minority lives than any Republican to every be elected to office in the modern day but by all means you keep showing your ignorance to something you obviously can't understand. Like I said, no one is stopping you from voting for this.

    But I'm not going to take part in a process where none of the people I vote for are ever doing the things I want them to do. This isn't me trying to influence a decision it's me believing it isn't making a difference BECAUSE IT ISNT.

    I'm going to try find my own way to make a difference but it's become very clear the electoral politics isn't the way.
     
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  13. Gritty Badger

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    I mean get the fuck out of here. 08-16 looked nothing like 16-20 you miserable twats
     
  14. GoS

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    Depends on how pissed off you are
     
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  15. Lyrtch

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    this thing where we trot Powell out every 4 years, despite publicly supporting every Dem since '08

    is weird
     
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  16. Hoss Bonaventure

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    As opposed to Trump? Yes.
     
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  17. CaneKnight

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    It really is it just goes to show how brain poisoned so many people are with this shit. Really is just a sport to them
     
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  18. CaneKnight

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    DONT YOU DUMB FUCKS START WITH THIS YOU BETTER VOTE BIDEN SHIT AGAIN SHUT THE FUCK UP WERE ALL VOTING BIDEN EXCEPT MICKEY FUCKING STOP JUST FUCKING STOP

    Why do you cunts do this every single time?
     
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  19. Iron Mickey

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    Yelling isn't a very compelling argument. This was literally from six pages ago. Guess what year it was written? Hint: it was before Trump was anything besides a buffoon on reality TV and general real estate grifter.

    "Each election now becomes a moment of life-or-death urgency that precludes dissent or even reflection. For liberals, there is only one option in an election year, and that is to elect, at whatever cost, whichever Democrat is running... True, the last Democrat was really unsatisfying, but this one is better; true, the last Republican didn’t bring destruction on the universe, but this one certainly will. And, of course, each of the “pivotal” Supreme Court justices is four years older than he or she was the last time.

    Why does this tailing behind an increasingly right-of-center Democratic Party persist in the absence of any apparent payoff?"
     
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  20. Tobias

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    wholesome content
     
  21. Name P. Redacted

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    I prefer my (former) presidential candidates to call their wife a trollop cunt.
     
  22. Iron Mickey

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    O.O
     
  23. GoS

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    Is this hyperbole for fun and profit or are you wanting someone to spend the time to find everything Obama tried to do that was completely shit on by the Rs? Because, I would imagine, the list is not terribly short.
     
  24. GoS

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    I found that article really interesting and thanks for posting it btw. How do you think the Left is doing at following the guidance found at its conclusion?
     
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  25. Iron Mickey

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    Of course political factions play these games with each other. But did they stop him from extending the Bush era tax cuts? From extending a largely unsupervised bailout to banks? From conducting pointless, costly, imperial wars in multiple continents?
     
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  26. Iron Mickey

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    There is no left, so it isn't doing much of anything. If you mean on the question of a socialist party, this remains my question:

     
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  27. Name P. Redacted

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    That trollop Cindy McCain is gonna talk at the convention tonight
     
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  28. GoS

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    I mean, look, he did (many) things that should/would displease the left, but that may be a good long way from "virtually indistinguishable"

    I probably take people at their word too much here, and maybe it's just anger/venting.
     
  29. GoS

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    I considered Bernie and his most ardent supporters to be the "Left"

    If they do not/did not represent the Left, what portion of the Dem side of the equation do they rep?
     
  30. steamengine

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    Tucker is talking about WAP y’all need to stay focused
     
  31. GoS

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    I think it would be cool to form at least 1 more party, and sure, it'd be cool to see a 'purist' labor party. Ranked choice voting is tits.
     
  32. CaneKnight

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    Larry Summers and Obama led a massive wealth transfer from the poor to the wealthy just like Trump. Obama was hard on immigrants too, Trump was just worse. Obama took part in plenty of imperialism and Trump was just worse. Black people were getting murdered in the streets and nothing got done about it etc....

    A lot of stuff was already in place Trump just took it up a notch, but the argument isn't so much that as it is this seems to be the cycle. Republicans take things up a notch, Democrats stop them, but nothing really changes and people's lives get worse as we go along. That's the cycle. Who is any of this shit helping, because a vast majority of the country gets absolutely fucked no matter who's in control.

    Nothing ever gets fixed and things just keep getting worse... Look where we are now.
     
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  33. GoS

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    hooboy
     
  34. Iron Mickey

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    Very well. How would you characterize the differences between the Democrats and the Republicans?

    We have to consolidate these threads at some point.

    Sanders is a "Democrat, nothing but a Democrat." He was, I think wisely, looking to do what liberal-progressive policies have done since WW2: round out the sharp edges of capitalism's contradictions. Medicare for All, free college, especially free trade school, credits for green energy, and so on are not socialist policies. They're not reorganizing society. They're making it more tolerable for the working class. That extends capitalism. Now, to be frank, it's a deal I considered making given how far we are from a vibrant Left, as you note. But to characterize Sanders or his supporters as Left wing is to misapprehend the entire function of capitalism and the modern welfare state.

    edit to add: you could make the case that Sanders was the first centrist we've seen in I-dunno-how-long. His policies would have kept capitalism chugging along happily here, while appeasing society's discontents for the present. True centrism. The DNC and its platform are clearly well right of that, to speak nothing of the Republicans, who may be creating a horseshoe theory in real time by outflanking the Dems to the Left in a move we've seen before with rather unfortunate results.
     
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  35. GoS

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    My hope (emphasized) is that Biden could (with reasonable effort) tear down everything DJT did in his4 years, then ensure we did not lose power in '24. Not sure what else a 1 termer could reasonably get done esp with a filibuster in place

    Then get someone decent in 24 and we can really get to work. I would like to start w energy, housing, and early ed/childcare issues if it pleases TMB.
     
  36. CaneKnight

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    And the worst part of all of this is.... Nothing changes and the answer from the so called "opposition party" isn't to actually change ANYTHING. It's just to remove Trump and that's it. That's literally what Biden has been saying.
     
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  37. GoS

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    Is MFA still capitalist because providers (hospitals/Docs) would remain private? Just trying to gain clarity. Thanks
     
  38. CaneKnight

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    But that isn't going to happen and your president has been decided for you. You either put the extremist party back in power or an awful right wing prosecutor.

    Those are literally your options. NOTHING CHANGES and were back in the cycle
     
  39. Name P. Redacted

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    Do you think tucker has fun doing his show or is he dr kelso leaving the hospital with heavy shoulders
     
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  40. Iron Mickey

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    Yes. It's welfare capitalist. We take money from everyone, i.e. a tax, and use it to pay private parties for their services. The actual term is Bonapartist.
     
  41. Name P. Redacted

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    Something being capitalist doesn’t mean that it’s private or required to earn a profit. It’s about who owns the means of production and who the surplus value returns to.
     
  42. Iron Mickey

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    If his brow furrows are to be trusted, he finds his own bit exhausting.
     
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  43. CaneKnight

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    It's such a ridiculous thing that we'd get rid of insurance companies but not also nationalize hospitals.
     
  44. Iron Mickey

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    Private equity leviathans are undefeated.
     
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  45. CaneKnight

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    Seder has long stated Tucker doesn't actually care about this shit and is purely in it for money. He just doesn't care who's life gets ruined in the process.
     
  46. steamengine

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    Jason Whitlock just made him emotional so I’d say he’s having the most fun of any of us.
     
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  47. Daniel Ocean

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    All the republicans are belong to the obvious radical left wing party. Imagine believing Harris and Biden are the “radical left”.
     
  48. ashy larry

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    he’s in the background doing wholesome portraits of the speakers and the DNC will compile them into a 2021 calendar.
     
  49. Eraser

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    Was Rumsfeld unavailable?
     
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  50. Daniel Ocean

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    In regular times yes they are basically the same thing. But, we are living in a weird time. I would never vote for a democrat if he/she wasn’t running against trump. So yeah I agree to a point with CaneKnight but in this timeline I can’t agree with him about not doing everything in our power to get rid of the POS in the White House.
     
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