2021 B1G Football Thread: Football Conference

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  1. MG2

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    No one really knows at this point, but if I'm guessing...

    6 of the 10 guys on Harbaugh's staff had their contracts up on January 10. The other four were Gattis, Brown, Jean-Mary and Shoop. Shoop and Brown were fired. Rumors were pretty heavy that multiple teams made a run at Sherrone Moore leading up to the Harbaugh extension, including his alma mater (OU). Him getting a co-OC title along with OL coach now makes me think that he was leaving unless he got a lot more $$ and a promotion from TE coach. They chose to keep Moore with the raise and title because he's the best recruiter on the previous staff. No clue if he's ready for it or not. If he's a capable OL coach, it's worth it. If he's a big step down from Warinner, it's a disaster.
     
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  2. herb.burdette

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    Harbaugh is wiping the slate clean and starting over. It’s interesting.
     
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  3. bic

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    Rumor I saw on reddit has Warinner joining Urban in Jacksonville. Would make sense since Warinner is a great OL coach and a dogshit recruiter.
     
  4. MG2

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    Webb and some other UM people are trying to push that Warinner could stay on as an analyst. I'll believe that when I see it. Only way that happens is if they pay him more than some of our coaches and he has zero other options. He does have a son on the team now, though, so maybe he'd be willing to do that for a year. I have no clue what his relationship is like with Moore or Harbaugh.
     
  5. buckwild

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    I have a feeling Warinner isn't easy to work with...but, I don't think Urban and Harbaugh are either so that might not be an issue here.
     
  6. jokewood

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    Once we got Ed Jr to walk on at LB, we didn't need Ed Sr any more.
     
  7. buckwild

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    Playing chess
     
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  10. PSU12

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    Harbaugh going the route of least experienced staff in the B1G is an interesting choice in a make or break type season
     
  11. MG2

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    We've gone back and forth on this on the UM board with a lot of varying opinions, although most of us don't think it matters and nothing they were going to do will work well enough to really matter.

    Harbaugh hiring this staff makes me think he believes the "culture" element of the program was a bigger problem than the X's/O's stuff. Feels like he brought in a bunch of young guys he hopes the players like, and that will turn the mentality of the program around more than hiring a bunch of experienced guys who the players are ready to tune out from the start because they're miserable. I think he could turn out to be right there, but the fact that they brought him back for year 7 knowing this kind of stuff is still a problem is the thing that's just tough to wrap your head around.
     
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    I think it’s time to call the Frost experiment.
     
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  14. ButchCassidy

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  15. Bo Pelinis

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  16. jokewood

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  17. Jimmy the Saint

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    I'm curious what a list of potential successors look like.
     
  18. herb.burdette

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    If Luke Fickell ever leaves Cincinnati, I think he would be perfect at Nebraska. He recruits better than anyone gives him credit and his teams play very solid defense.
     
  19. dukebuckeye

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    No offense to our beloved Husks, I just don't think the youths of today are overly interested in being in Lincoln, Nebraska.
     
  20. Spontaneous Cumbustion

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    I don't think Fickell would have any interest in Nebraska. He already turned down MSU which is a better job. I think the only B1G jobs that would interest him are OSU, Michigan and Penn St.
     
  21. dukebuckeye

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    He might just chill at Cincinnati until Ryan Day leaves for the NFL.
     
  22. Bo Pelinis

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    Whoa whoa whoa let’s not get crazy here
     
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  23. romanoff

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    Still disappointed we whiffed on Fickell...felt like he was a perfect candidate for MSU
     
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  24. jokewood

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    And he's only interested in getting the Michigan job so that he can turn it down.
     
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  25. MG2

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    MSU/UNL is at least debatable, and I think the timing of MSU's search had at least something to do with that. It's weird when you've already got your entire recruiting class and your staff hired, and then some job randomly comes open in early February. He may have taken that job if it opens in December like most jobs.
     
  26. RalfBully

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    He was hired until our board got pissed that it was done without their approval. Then he wanted no part of this shit show
     
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  27. Bo Pelinis

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    I will take a lot of shit but MSU is in no way comparable to Nebraska. Like, objectively not even a little bit close. In any metric.
     
  28. RalfBully

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    Except being relevant in any recruits lifetime.
     
  29. teel

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    This is very true from what I have seen of the success that MSU has had in my lifetime. Not even close to Nebraska, miles ahead.
     
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  30. Bo Pelinis

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    Since 2000:

    MSU - 154 - 107
    Nebraska - 162 - 103

    Your best coach and our worst coaches and we still have a better record since current college students were born. We've also had 7 divisional titles in the same time period and you've had 3.

    We've even played in the same number of conference title games in the last 11 years.
     
  31. Rabid

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    Are you recruiting 21 year olds?

    And are you claiming Dantonio is better than Biggie Munn?
     
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    You recruiting 22 year old HS kids these days? The class of 2022 was born around 2004. Let me know how that goes for you.
     
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  33. Bo Pelinis

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    This is what happens when people don't do the homework or have any frame of reference besides the last 5ish years.

    Since 2004:

    MSU - 125- 83 - 3 conference title games.
    Nebraska - 124- 89 - 4 conference title games
     
  34. Rabid

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    I see MSU with a better record, more conference championships and a (very forgettable) playoff appearance.
     
  35. teel

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    Pelini's exemplary 67-27 record should not count during this exercise because we've been told he's the worst thing in the world and deserved to be fired so would be pretty weird to use his accomplishments to prop up an argument now, don't ya think?
     
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  36. Bo Pelinis

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    Right. So by any metric we've been epic dogshit for us. They've been great for them. And we've pretty damn even. And that's if you only include the last 17 years which, then Michigan is straight fucked if we're doing that.
     
  37. buckwild

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    Straight fucked or back?
     
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  38. Spontaneous Cumbustion

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    Didn't mean to start a Neb v MSU better job debate. The recruiting area in/around Michigan compared to Nebraska alone makes me think MSU is a better job. I'm sure both have good to great facilities. Even if Nebraska has better facilities you can't change where they're located. Just my :twocents:
     
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  39. RalfBully

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    You in these divisional trophies. Congrats on playing in the West and whatever shitty division you had in the B12. You havent had one relevant season since 2001 unless you're counting your #14 finish in the AP in 2009 with the huge Holiday bowl win over Arizona.
     
  40. Rabid

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    You act as if Michigan State doesn't have a history of National Championships prior to current recruits being born. Nebraska and MSU both have that history.
     
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    The timing was definitely terrible for MSU. But now Fickell is an even bigger name, so he can wait out a blue blood job. The guy literally has never lived outside of Ohio besides his 1 year with the Saints in the NFL. I think he's perfectly fine staying at UC waiting for the right job to come open.
     
  42. Bo Pelinis

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    Last one in 1966? And we're talking about citing ancient history?
     
  43. portlandspartan

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    The five year best of Dantonio is so clearly head and shoulders above any stretch of Nebraska’s since the mid 90’s.

    it’s ultimately a dumb argument and only a data point among many when it comes to the quality of a job, but let’s not pretend its an invalid argument
     
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  45. Blu Tang Clan

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    Nebraska has a greater overall tradition and I’m guessing better facilities. Michigan State has had greater success recently and has easier access to talent based on its location.

    I think it’s fascinating and remarkable that Nebraska was as powerful as it was considering the natural disadvantages it faces.
     
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  46. Celemo

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    Guessing a lot of that had to do with the offense they ran in the 90’s. A lot of teams were already transitioning to the spread while Osborne/Solich stuck with the option
     
  47. Blu Tang Clan

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    They were powerful in the 70s and 80s, too, and even before that under Devaney. They had an infrastructure that once built kept humming along despite everything surrounding them changing. But now that it’s completely collapsed (thanks to external factors and internal neglect) I don’t see how they build it back anywhere near what it was.

    I think, best case, they become what Wisconsin and Iowa currently are. Just don’t know if that’s acceptable.
     
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  48. Celemo

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    I think part of it has to do with the fact that recruits have much more options these days. Back during the Devaney/Osborne years, Nebraska could sell the fact that you can watch your boy play on TV 4-6 times a year if you’re too far away to travel. These days pretty much every team has every game televised somewhere. Combine that with unlimited schollys back then and...
     
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  49. Blu Tang Clan

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    Goes beyond that. In the 90s you could watch most Power 5 teams on television pretty easily. I lived in Texas in high school when Nebraska won its first two nattys and at most there’d be two Michigan games per season that I’d have to scramble to find on TV. It wasn’t very hard to watch non-local teams.
     
  50. Houndster

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    Nebraska is a materially better job than Michigan State. Easier to recruit, easier division, not a little brother in its own state, more money, better tradition, better pizza

    Papa John’s
     
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