I just don't get why they're bringing all this crap up for Fields. Is it just for clicks? Cause they need something to talk about? He had a handful of bad games, but also some really, really good ones. Lance played doo-doo competition, and sat out the year after 1 bad game, and there's nothing said about him.
I don't have an NFL team, so yes, lol. I paid a little attention for Haskins, but at least he was a one-year starter so it made sense to dig on him.
Don't see Gettleman picking a guy like Vera-Tucker. Hes not a high-floor, low-ceiling drafter in rd 1.
The Fields stuff is exhausting on every side at this point. Some people are using coded words that are always used against black QBs. That's wrong and should be called out. Some of the criticism/critique may be wrong or right (I have no clue). But others in the media really, really like him and go out of their way to praise him. I've seen people praise and critique the other QBs, too. It's not like Fields is the only one.
I think the race stuff in there is on point. However... - People aren't mocking Mac Jones to SF because everyone suddenly thinks he's better than Fields. They're doing it because they think one team thinks Jones is better than Fields, and that team happens to be SF with the 3rd pick. - I also think it's dumb for people to say Jones isn't being criticized or critiqued. Read any scouting report on Jones and it's all there. - The notion that Fields was the #2 QB with a bullet coming into the season, which the writer consistently suggests, isn't really true. Multiple big names (including Jeremiah, I believe) had Lance ahead of Fields coming into the season. I don't think Fields was some kind of consensus #2 overall pick coming into the season. I remember there being a lot of varying thoughts about him until he got off to the huge start. - It does seem like some of the bigger names are giving Wilson a bit of a pass compared to Fields, but it's not like the critics aren't out there. It's the pre-draft process and it's similar for everyone. People just pick and choose what they read and how they react to fit whatever they want it to be.
100 percent. Crazy that the media is still trying to push that SF would trade that far for Mac. Only other scenario is that Salah and the Jets are taking Fields, filled in SF they could get Wilson at 3, and all this is to throw everyone off both picks. Still possible the coaches (and people making the picks) don’t buy into the bullshit that Wilson somehow caught up with and then surpassed Fields AFTER they stopped playing.
There's been criticism about every QB prospect. Jones obviously has the arm strength/athleticism concerns. Lance is raw. Wilson faced shitty competition. Lawrence has bad hair blah blah blah. Fields has plenty of things he needs to work on as well. It's just weird how much of the criticism seems contrived or just flat-out wrong; i.e. the alleged character concerns.
How many people are bringing up "character concerns" with Fields? I've seen one person, who later apologized and said he was just spitballing hearsay from randoms who weren't backed up by Fields' coaches. Is there more of that out there?
fields is judged on a level that none of the rest of them are. I have questions about his game but people acting like fields, not lance and Mac Jones, is the one with the question marks is wild to me. Fields gets the character concerns but Mac Jones has the arrests. Fields is judged by his offense but Mac Jones isn’t. It’s hard to look at the Jones and fields talk and not think race.
There are definitely some prospects that the draft process /media seemingly focuses on their strengths (Wilson this year, Jordan Love last year) versus their weaknesses (Fields, Herbert). I don't know if it's prospect fatigue, media that succeeds with combative rather than informative coverage, or general critiques (and is probably a combo of all three). Herbert's biggest obviously dumb criticism was that he wasn't a leader. I don't know if it's an Oregon thing - Mariota had the same criticism - or if it's a "quiet" thing. But it was dumb and wrong at the time. The NFL just really wants their QBs to act like Baker Mayfield, it seems.
Are we really saying mac Jones is getting less hate than fields? He might be drafted higher but it’s only because SF likes him more. Even the good comments for Mac end in “but he’s slow, his arm isn’t strong enough, he had too many weapons” to be fair, I haven’t heard anything about character on any of the qbs. I want the Falcons to take fields, but we were all questioning him last season until he was fantastic against Clemson.
This is where people lose me on the Fields stuff. The notion that people aren't questioning Lance or Jones about their abilities is just false. I think there's an argument to be made that people are giving Wilson a bit of a pass on things they aren't giving for Fields, but if you think people aren't questioning Lance about his lack of experience or Jones for his overall talent compared to the other four, you're just not paying attention. Everyone is questioning Jones' talent level as a potential top 10 pick, let alone top 3 ahead of Fields and Lance. And everyone is questioning whether Lance's lack of experience should scare people away from taking him over the others. It's in every scouting report.
The issue is that the things people are questioning Fields on are retreads of how elite black QBs are dissected. Obviously every QB is critiqued. Should Lance get questioned on experience and competition? Yes. Should Wilson get questioned about his size and competition? Yes. Should Jones get questioned about his lack of experience and the amazing weapons/offense he had last year? Yes Most people consider Fields to be more like Lawrence. Both were the top prospects. Both performed unbelievably well in college and led their teams into the CFP. And yet the level of critique of Fields is pretty astounding. And stuff related to his "leadership," "how bad he wants it," and his ability to go through reads pretty much came out of nowhere. At the end of the day, I think people who watched Fields are having a hard time fathoming how Wilson and Mac are now locks to go above him. And now people are digging into how he has been treated in comparison to other elite QB prospects over the years.
I don’t see it in media I consume. I’m not saying NFL people aren’t taking it into account. I don’t see media discussing it and I’ve certainly never seen anyone discuss off the field issues for Mac Jones (2 DUIs) like they have fields (no arrests and no reported issues at all until a month ago).
from media or from fans? Hate for fields is more from media IMO. Hate from fans is much more for Mac Jones. Especially fans of teams who are deathly afraid of drafting him. Could be clicks. Could be people scared to go after both black QBs for fear of being called racist. I don’t really have issue with people picking apart fields’ game. I have wilson above him which I’ve been criticized for by people. The off the field shit bothers me. The anonymous sources with off the field concerns on things that are likely not true only seem to come out for black players. The way off the field is discussed is different. It’s not every player but white guys “learn from their mistakes” but black players who haven’t made mistakes have “off the field issues” it’s worth discussion. dalvin cook was done dirty leading into the draft. His friends when he was 15 we’re going to be a problem amongst a barrage of insane shit. They do this to guys a lot. It’s likely GMs trying to help a guy fall to them in the draft but the media just runs with it anonymously which I feel is irresponsible.
i dont think Mac is a bad person https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.49erswebzone.com/news/amp-146012/ his DUI is viewed as a transitional event I have no issues with this reporting and believe it to be true. They just don’t report this for black players the same way. That would be a negative.
I think this is the answer to the question, though. I think a lot of CFB fans think Fields and Lawrence are close. I think NFL teams and draft people don't believe that is true. And so, a big point of the draft lead up is media people explaining why they and the league don't view Fields and Lawrence as similar to people who are asking that question. That's why it seems like Fields is getting criticized more than Lance and Jones, because no one is asking what the difference is between Lawrence and Jones/Lance because no one thinks they're close. Again, the racial element of this is important that we call out some of the criticisms that are frequently put on black quarterbacks, coaches and executives that holds them back. I'm all for that. But we've reached the point where there seem to be a decent amount of people trying really hard to make Fields into a victim here. I don't think it helps the conversation if we're just going to amplify the voices of a few and pretend like they're the only ones speaking. He's got a ton of supporters in the draft media I follow.
Pretty sure most fans were flummoxed as to why Haskins was doubted and fell. I was. The non racist shit aside, this stuff is hard to judge and even experts get shit wrong, let alone clickbait goobers.
He has a lot of support in the media, but if he falls to 10 or is the 4th or 5th QB taken, which I think is likely at this point, then it doesn't matter how many supportive tweets there are. His life will be fine and he will be put in a better organization because of being drafted later, but the reality is that the racial bias impacted his draft status. And this all started because of his critiques that leaked out of front offices. Support in the media is irrelevant.
Haskins following wasn't crazy. It was NYG's LOVE for Daniel fucking Jones. Fields and Haskins are not even comparable as players and prosepcts.
I don't really remember it that way but that may just be because I wasn't a big fan of Haskins as a prospect. I think even Fields' harshest critics would rate him above Haskins as a prospect. Personally I think this is all moot since I think Fields goes #3. I find it really hard to believe the 9ers were so sure Mac wouldn't make it to #6 that they have the Dolphins an extra first and a third over what the Eagles were asking at 6.
Taking an offensive lineman at 11 is exactly something Gettleman would do. The Giants should take Parsons, Waddle, or Smith there if it plays out that way.
Agreed. I wasn’t a fan of Haskins but I still to this day don’t know what the NYG saw in Daniel Jones. He was so average in college.
The core of the issue is that Fields has been critiqued for things that likely aren't true based on what we know (not really loving football/not invested) and other QBs like Mac Jones aren't really being criticized nearly as much (dui, limited physical tools). If Fields had a DUI, it would be preface to every comment about his status as a prospect.
but that’s just crazy mort sharing his opinion it appears, not what Orlovsky claimed he was getting from NFL people Don’t think the falcons will pass on fields because of mort is concerned with his throwing motion.....but it is the falcons
The issue wasn’t drafting Jones. The issue was taking him at 6. He took Andrew Thomas at 4 last year. Gettleman doesn’t understand draft capital. Some question his and his staff’s ability to evaluate college talent, specifically OL as well. Where he has done well has been FA.
It would def come up and people would be reporting on how he changed his ways, too. It’d be in the convo. Mac’a athleticism is a critique but it seems like coverage is “well ya Shanahan loves goofy qbs that throw in the pocket”. Like tylerdolphin said, I think Fields goes 3 anyway.