2021 NFL Head Coach/GM Search Thread

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  1. zeberdee

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    maybe the impact was Doug was pissed off he had to tank that game.
     
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  2. RavenNole

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    Pederson going to the jets and building an offense around Justin fields makes sense. It seems like that’s what he wanted to do with hurts. Fields is just a much better player.

    it makes less sense to me for the eagles to go after an Andy Reid guy. Other eagles can’t move on from Carson wentz. You just fired an Andy Reid guy who couldn’t make it work with wentz. Is another Andy Reid guy going to be the wentz whisperer? You need to try something different. With wentz entrenched and the cap situation, is the eagles job the worst one on the market?
     
  3. zeberdee

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    bring me Brian Daboll.
     
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  4. Gritty Badger

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    eagles job is the worse one on the market because Howie Roseman will be picking your roster
     
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  5. b7

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    And they just fired a a coach who won the Super Bowl and made the playoffs the past two years as well.
     
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  6. zeberdee

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    Pederson is going to release his own statement. I'm curious how much of it was firing and how much of it was him being sick of the situation himself.

    not that it would help make the case for it being a good job at all.
     
  7. JeremyLambsFace

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    Didn't Eagles fan act like Roseman was a wizard as recently as like last offseason
     
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  8. zeberdee

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    he's very good at manipulating the cap, but absolute dogshit at evaluating talent.
     
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  9. RavenNole

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    Eagles job will be the most interesting to watch play out. Every other job has a franchise QB or a top pick. Even if Nagy does end up getting fired, at least the bears have an elite defense that you would inherit.
     
  10. MG2

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    25 of the 32 head coaches in the league have been in their jobs 4 years or less. 22 of 32 have had jobs 3 years or less. That's crazy.

    Also, of the seven who have been in a job longer than four years, four have defensive backgrounds (Belichick, Tomlin, Carrol, Zimmer), compared to two offense (Payton, Reid) and one special teams (Harbaugh). I just find that interesting considering how the accepted preference from most is for offense over defense.
     
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  11. ShuPoor

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    Any slapdick with an offensive background gets an HC shot. Much higher barrier of entry to get there from the defensive side.
     
  12. MG2

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    Florio had an article a few days ago I found to be really stupid. It was basically...

    If you're hiring a coach, you should lean towards offense because if you hire a defensive guy and your offense is good, the OC will be hired by someone else and you'll have to find a new one. If you hire an offensive guy and your defense is good, there's a better chance you can keep the DC.
     
  13. IvanTheTerrible

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    What in the world is going on in Philly?
     
  14. zeberdee

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    the Eagles are going to get a new coach and it's possible he will be stuck working with Carson Wentz because getting rid of that contract is next to impossible.
     
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  15. IvanTheTerrible

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    I wonder what Jalen Hurts is thinking right now.
     
  16. zeberdee

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    it's not like he played so well he deserves to be locked in as starter. I'd be surprised if he didn't get further chances to start down the line.
     
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    The difference is that those defensive guys have been HCs or were at least DCs when defense was a big deal.
     
  19. BudKilmer

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    LMAOOOOOOOOOOOO Cowboys
     
  20. MG2

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    I don't know what this means, but defense seemed like a pretty big deal over the weekend in a lot of those games that weren't terribly high scoring.
     
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  22. zeberdee

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    Howie Roseman throwing the outgoing coach under the bus and letting his WR know that nobody in the front office wanted him. everything is going great in Philly.

     
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    Don’t you just love articles like these... “We wanted the all pro guy but the fired guy said no...”
     
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  24. MG2

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    The Boston is strong in Howie.
     
  25. Jack Parkman

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  28. MG2

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    Hard to believe he's really a candidate, but Watson's anger at least got him an interview.

     
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    going to put them in an interesting spot

     
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  31. RavenNole

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    I don’t get the love affair with Andy Reid offensive assistants. Doug pederson is the biggest success. Nagy more recently couldn’t do it. I’d argue that being the assistant to Reid now and helping him build an offense for a QB that is a lot better than the guy you will get next doesn’t really set you up for success. It’s like the Patriots guys. I think that’s what I really like about daboll. He coached will bellichek and saban but briefly. He’s done things himself. Bienemy most likely gets a job this offseason and we will see how he does. I’m not hiring an OC from KC or an OC or DC from the Patriots if I was a GM hiring a new coach.
     
  32. MG2

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    Four Reid offensive coaches have been head coaches:

    Childress (39-35 overall, 1-2 in playoffs)
    Shurmur (19-46 in a weird HC career)
    Pederson (42-37-1 overall, 4-2 in playoffs including SB0
    Nagy (28-20 overall, 0-2 in playoffs)

    Not saying any of them are great, but as far as coaching trees go you can do an awful lot worse.
     
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  33. zeberdee

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    I know you specified offensive, but I don't see why you wouldn't include Harbaugh and McDermott when discussing Reid assistants.
     
  34. MG2

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    For sure. I only did the offensive coaches because he specified that he wouldn't hire a Reid offensive coach.
     
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  35. RavenNole

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    I think Reid let’s his DC (or ST) have more control than he gives anyone over his offense. I would hire a Reid defensive coach. I look at Reid offensive assistants like I look at saban DCs. Yeah Kirby has been a hit but your typically going to get a Pruitt/muschamp who can implement what saban wants but can’t run the show. Same with Patriots coordinators. I’m not saying it would be Adam gase level bad hire. I just think there are better guys out there than bienamy. I didn’t love the Nagy hire. I sure as shit don’t want the chiefs QB coach. Bengals hiring zac Taylor because he was QB coach for Mcvay was far worse so you can definitely do worse. I just personally think you can find a better candidate.

    while it wasn’t head coach, Marty mornhinweg is a great example of someone who looked great under Reid and was a failure running an offense after that. Was a shitty HC before that also. Working under Andy Reid though he looked good. Reid has the magic sauce. I just don’t love anyone who’s primary experience is working under the master. They lose the magic when they move on.
     
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  36. RavenNole

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    Does this mean Nagy survived? Or another reason he needs to be fired and the house cleaned completely?
     
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    Clown show
     
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  38. Cornelius Suttree

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    Worst GMs I can think of in recent memory IMO IYAM. All absolutely pathetic
     
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  39. Gritty Badger

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    Rivera too although he had a few stops in between as he was blocked by Jim J
     
  40. zeberdee

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    I thought about listing him but didn’t want the point to be lost to a debate on whether he counted.
     
  41. bro

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    lol
    Bring a pass oriented OC. please
     
  42. RavenNole

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    Who are we confident gets a job? Seems pretty obvious to me that Robert saleh lands one of these jobs. Bienemy seems likely also. Urban has the jags job only if he wants it and the longer it drags out the more I doubt he wants it. I know there was some Brady to the falcons smoke. Seems like a year where we might get a few hires out of left field.
     
  43. zeberdee

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    I think Daboll will get a job, it's just a question of how long the Bills season goes.
     
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  44. zeberdee

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    I know Daboll doesn't get all the credit (Jordan Palmer has had a huge part in it apparently), but Josh Allen going from a 56% passer in college to a 70% passer in the NFL is pretty mindblowing. I don't know if an improvement that drastic has ever happened before.
     
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  45. Dr. Richard Cranium

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    Who is the next man up that has ever been in a room with Kyle Shanahan? Russ would be scary in that offense.
     
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  46. bro

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    it hasn't. Chargers would be morons if they didn't hire him.
     
  47. zeberdee

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    if they don't I hope somehow the Eagles do. I'm not sure Wentz is salvageable at this point, but there's nobody out there I would think has a better shot at fixing him.
     
  48. MG2

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    Kind of seems like Saleh might not get a job if the Jets don't hire him. For whatever reason he went from being the clear favorite (at least from the outside) in Detroit to barely even getting mentioned at this point.

    I'm also not optimistic Bieniemy gets one. He's not going to end up in Houston, where most people seemed to think he'd be the favorite. He looks like he ranks 6th out of 6 candidates who interviewed in Detroit at the moment. Doesn't appear that he's a candidate for NYJ, JAX or Philly, either. That would leave Atlanta and LAC, and while I haven't paid a ton of attention to either, it does seem like they prefer others.
     
  49. bro

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    or he could unlock Hurts. Seems like the right person to try to get the best out of 2 QBs.
     
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