2022 CFB Coaching Carousel: Mike Leach walks the plank

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  1. Jake Scott

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    I don't think it's the numbers but more so who is leaving
     
  2. War Grundle

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    As mentioned, change dead periods, tighten restrictions on transfer portal.
     
  3. Jake Scott

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    Transfer portal era has to be awful.
     
  4. fucktx

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    I don’t blame coaches for getting paid more in the nfl and having to deal with a lot less bullshit personally. We’d all do the same thing with our jobs if we were in their situation
     
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  5. Jake Scott

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    do most of them get paid more in the NFL? I thought most made more in college. I'm a known idiot though
     
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  6. Andy Reocho

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    From my experience working in d1 football, the grind is a much bigger issue than players being compensated.
     
  7. TAS

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    Any real and lasting solution has to include allowing players to collectively bargain.

    There's no power system that doesn't exploit labor on some level, but the inability for college players to have a say in how the sport works makes that exploitation especially egregious.
     
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  8. Detlef Schrempf

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    Players are eventually going to be employees it’s just going to take time to get there. It’s inevitable imo
     
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  9. fucktx

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    it’s a case by case thing depending on school/nfl team and who it is. Only schools that might pay more than the nfl are uga, bama, texas, etc from everything I’ve read. NFL coaches are paid very well
     
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  10. Pharm

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    Can also argue that per hours worked its not really close.
     
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  11. C Yank

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    We offered Klemm a million a year to be an o line coach and he still left to the Patriots.
     
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  12. VaxRule

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    I think it adds another level of complexity to what was already likely a pretty miserable job of recruiting. If you just want to be a coach, the NFL must seem much easier.

    Also, NFL players, quite famously, get paid. So, I don’t think it’s necessarily an opposition to players getting paid could drive coaches to the pro ranks.
     
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  13. Bricktop the white

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    You've spent your entire life dedicated to football. You've beaten out 100s of thousands of other coaches for a premium position. Do you want to

    1. spend your time coaching football
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    2. spend your time sucking up to children and occasionally their scumbag parents/handlers.


    I don't know how some of the coaches do it man. The insanely cringe texts you have to send to recruits would drive me to alcoholism.
     
  14. Redav

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    I'm not saying that the intent is necessarily anti-paying players but once players started getting paid and had more freedom to move from college to college, now something has to be done. I just don't see going backwards as an option and the coaches get paid a lot of money so I just kind of don't care???
     
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  15. fucktx

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    I mean shit the amount of travel and extra hours that college coaches have to put in alone makes the nfl much more appealing. When you take into account that their job is now harder because of nil you really just can’t blame them. None of us would work more, travel more, and take on additional responsibility for a job that pays equal or even less than another you could have.
     
  16. Gritty Badger

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    bama and uga and texas can't compete for coaches the nfl wants when it comes to compensation.

    NFL owners woke up about 5-6 years ago and started really spending on staffs

    Bama tried to hire Stoutland with a massive offer for a college OL coach after Pederson got fired and the Eagles just told Stout to pick whatever number he wanted to stay
     
  17. BudKilmer

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    Most college coaches I know do not care if players get paid, but it’s the calendar that kills them.

    and there’s little things. When a 1:00 kick off nfl game is over, coaches go home, watch the film, drink a beer and get ready for the next week.

    when a 1:00 kick off cfb game is over, you generally have to entertain recruits, have official visits, often rolling into Sunday am. I took a kid on an OV and after the game they had a hotel banquet hall rented to entertain families of recruits. It had to be soul crushing for the college coaches
     
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  18. Red Rover

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    Coaches get paid a lot of money so they should suck it up and have a horrible work/life balance is quite the take

    If you had a choice to make more money and have a better work/life balance, I'm sure you'd do the same just as the coaches jumping to the NFL are
     
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  19. VaxRule

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    I think it’s fine to not care. But I think it has obviously taken the part of the job that we’ve known all along has been source of friction for some coaches (recruiting) and made it even more of a hassle. College ADs need to expand and do a better job of taking as much of that burden off the coaches as they can, imo. Coaches pointing out that problem on their way out doesn’t bother me.
     
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  20. Redav

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    Yeah I have no problem with them jumping to the NFL. I don't know what your point is there
     
  21. Tangman

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    I'm not sure this is the case

     
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  22. fucktx

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    it used to he the case but honestly I haven’t looked at it in a few years. Looks like there’s no real reason to stay in college now
     
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  23. Jimmy the Saint

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    I'm sure there are coaches that enjoy the grind of the college game, relationship building, etc. Plenty of people enjoy seemingly psychopathic careers for reasons others don't understand.
     
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  24. Andy Reocho

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    It's a young man's job now :twocents:

    And that extends all the way through the athletics world. The demands are so much for everyone, that if you care at all about having a life/family, you are going to struggle. I know this, because it's the exact reason I, and many others I know, are not doing it anymore.
     
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  25. ned's head

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    Honestly I'm the type that buries myself in work when I'm really engaged and don't really burn out. I can see it. That was before a wife and kids, though. Can't imagine that life now.
     
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  26. War Grundle

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    There are some people who love to travel and not be home all the time. I have a few friends who commute back and forth between Tampa and the Capitol every week and have nannies and love to just be home fri-sun. I couldn't do it and and didn't travel as much when my kid was born and it definitely cost me a promotion vs the road warrior colleague of mine but I wouldnt trade that time at all.
     
  27. TAS

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    P5 football offers ~2x the number of job opportunities the NFL offers. Expanding to all of FBS, it's about 5x the number of coaching and assistant coaching opportunities. With how clique-ish both CFB and NFL coaching circles are and how the candidate pool works when jobs become opening, this is a good incentive to pursue a college coaching career.

    Adding in the different skill sets required, the ability to work with and positively influence young adults, the (quickly vanishing) increased job security, etc. - I think there are still good reasons to stick to college football.
     
  28. Boo MFer!

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    This is a stretch. Overwhelming majority of kids at big time schools are there for one reason and one reason only: Get to the league.
     
  29. TAS

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    That doesn't mean some coaches don't consider it part of their calling to be there for these young guys going through an important phase of life
     
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  30. Mister Me Too

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    I also think there are coaches who prefer coaching college football because the coaches, even with NIL and the transfer portal, hold more power in CFB that in the NFL.
     
  31. Boo MFer!

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    Some of y’all are glamorizing shit like it’s the 1970s.
     
  32. Redav

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    I get it's hard on the coaches and maybe calendar changes would work. I really just wanted to say that I don't like Josh Pate
     
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  33. Lip

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    it’s a crazy cynical take to suggest that zero college football coaches care about helping young men grow as individuals
     
  34. Boo MFer!

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    I don’t think it’s zero. But I think the passion for “helping kids grow” is just coachspeak and part of a recruiting pitch more times than not. If coaches really cared about helping kids grow, they wouldn’t leave for better jobs the second they get offered or pull scholarships before signing day or process underachievers. It’s a business. They’re salesmen.
     
  35. TAS

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    I would think you're smart enough to realize that having career ambitions and having a passion for working with 18-22 yr olds are not mutually exclusive
     
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  36. Lip

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    the same ability to work with young men exists at other places that offer them more money too. It’s okay to admit you are heartless but that doesn’t mean it applies to all coaches.
     
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  37. Corch

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    100%
     
  38. TAS

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    CFB will also always be the preferred spot for weirdos who come up with crazy offenses
     
  39. Jake Scott

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    Hugh Freeze has the passion for helping kids grow you speak of
     
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  40. Boo MFer!

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    So, a guy can sit at a family’s dinner table and tell the kid’s mom how he intends to make him into a productive young man and an upstanding citizen…that is, until Nick Saban asks him to join the staff, then it’s tough shit kid. Sure, he’s moving on to work with other kids, but I guess the kid’s family he made a promise to is just shit out of luck.

    It’s no different than how your employer claims to care about you but would lay you off in a second if it meant a better outcome for them. You’re welcome to live this Pollyanna fairytale where coaches aren’t looking out for themselves first, but it’s not reality.
     
  41. TAS

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    That poor man is burdened by God with a duty to spank every minor female in a rock t-shirt he comes across
     
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  42. Boo MFer!

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    Amen.
     
  43. Jake Scott

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    War Damn!
     
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  44. Bert Handsome

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    I think you (and several other posters ITT) are vastly underestimating the hours NFL assistants put in.
     
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  45. BudKilmer

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    I’m friends with several. I know how psychotic it is. 6:00 Am - 11:00 pm was a typical day on Dan Quinn’s staff in Atl
     
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  46. Corch

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    Who is claiming they aren't looking out for themselves?
     
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  47. Lip

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    no one - it was a total straw man to distract from his initial stupid point.

    for someone who apparently writes for a living, he’s awfully bad at it or just really really disingenuous
     
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  48. Corch

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    I had never heard this, I have a very hard time believing that.
     
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  49. Where Eagles Dare

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    Portal has to be 1000x worse than anything NIL related. Especially when schools aren't supposed to be involved in negotiating NIL deals :wink:
     
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  50. Boo MFer!

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    :roll: ok, buddy.