2024 Formula One Thread: Miami GP - 5/5 4pm

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  1. dblplay1212

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    He just copied me imo.

     
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    So Sebs bike just has like a fucking stick for handlebars?
     
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    First time for everything.
     
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    Although I've still got him on ignore (I should probably take him off to see if he's better now) dblplay1212 was the first person I thought of when I watched Kym Illman's latest video. Right up your alley big guy...

     
  5. BP

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    Good video pretty technical tho

     
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  6. jawsthegreat

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    Patting myself on the back for absolutely fucking nailing this one...:awesomeface:

    Never before has the FIA reacted so quickly. In Baku, many drivers complained that their cars touch down too much and start rocking so violently at a certain speed that they get back problems and headaches from it, which could lead to loss of concentration. Already in Montreal, the teams that drive their cars too low and thus create the aerodynamically and mechanically generated bouncing are to be tackled.

    The world governing body wants to check the vertical oscillations and forces on the drivers in all cars with immediate effect. To this end, not only will the wear of the plank under the car be more strictly regulated, but the readings from the two acceleration sensors near the vehicle's center of gravity will also be evaluated to provide data on upward and downward movements.

    If a certain limit is exceeded, the team must adjust the setup and possibly change the vehicle height or spring rate. The limit value will be communicated to the teams before the third practice session. Cars that do not meet this value will be classified as unsafe and disqualified.

    Classification as "dangerous design

    The FIA states in its Technical Directive TD039 that the phenomenon of vertical oscillation, known in English as "bouncing" or "porpoising," is a characteristic that has been observed with growing concern since this year.

    Combined with low ground clearance, low stance and minimal suspension travel, they have led to many drivers complaining of excessive bouncing on the track. This can lead to health problems or even result in accidents.

    "In a sport where competitors regularly reach speeds in excess of 300 km/h, riders must be fully focused on alert at all times," the association said in a statement. "Fatigue and pain can have a significant impact if it disrupts concentration. The FIA is also concerned about the medium-term physical impact on the health of drivers, a large number of whom have complained of back pain after recent races.

    "The world governing body now considers cars that rob the driver of full control to be a "dangerous design." Therefore, under Article 1.3 of the Technical Regulations, any car deemed dangerous could be disqualified. The measures were thus also introduced with immediate effect to reduce the rocking of the cars to a tolerable level. They will already apply from the Canadian GP.

    Limit value to be fixed by the third traing

    In a first step, the wear of the base plate under the car will be studied in more detail. For this purpose, a metric value will be defined as a criterion for the extent of the oscillations. An analysis of how this parameter is determined is underway and will continue over the two practice sessions on Friday.The so-called "Az signal" for the vertical accelerations during the up and down movements is transmitted quasi live to the FIA control unit. In this way, the technical commissioners will be able to see at any time how much the car touches down on the road at high speeds.

    There is still discussion about how the Az signal should be evaluated, whether peak values or average forces should be taken into account. Teams measuring these values for their own setup analysis are invited to share their methodology with the FIA.Teams do not yet know what the rule makers consider an acceptable value. It should be determined before the third practice session. The teams must then determine the oscillations over three laps in succession with DRS deactivated at race speed. If there is any suspicion of deliberate slow driving, the test is deemed to have failed. The same applies if you close in on another car.

    Ten millimeters up for violations

    Once the FIA has determined a "safe set-up" for each individual car, ground clearance, spring rates and damper settings, and aerodynamic configuration may not be changed. Exceptions are:

    1. The car may be set even higher

    2. Weather changes

    3. Adjustments of cooling requirements

    4. Tire pressures

    5. Front wing setup
    If a competitor wishes to return to a previously used setup, he must first prove to the FIA that these setups meet the safety criteria. All parameters such as vehicle height, suspension travel and the aerodynamic configuration, together with the corresponding oscillation values, must be submitted to the FIA in the set-up sheets after the third practice session.

    If a competitor is unable to achieve the limits required by the FIA and thus a safe setup, he must use the setup that is closest to the limits and then increase the rear ground clearance by a further ten millimeters without changing the suspension travel or aerodynamic configuration.Because of the short notice, teams are being considered for the Canadian GP to allow a second ground support cable a little further forward or to stiffen the ground, as Haas did in Barcelona, for example.

    For 2023, phenomena such as bouncing are to be ruled out from the outset. For example, the edges of the underbodies could be raised, the floor area reduced and a ban on wings on the floor edge could be considered. Teams will therefore be asked to report to the FIA on the results of their development work on the 2023 cars.

    Bad for Mercedes, good for Red Bull

    The FIA's campaign could turn the world championship upside down. The teams most affected are those whose cars have so far been subjected to strong bouncing movements on the straights and have touched down hard on undulating track surfaces. These include above all Mercedes and Ferrari. But the drivers of McLaren and Alpha Tauri had also complained after the Azerbaijan GP about excessive bouncing movements.

    It's possible that the Mercedes drivers' complaints backfired. If the cars have to be set higher as a consequence, then they become slower. This hits the Mercedes W13, which only works in a small window, particularly hard. Ferrari has more leeway in terms of car height. Red Bull will be pleased with the new Technical Directive. The cars of the world championship leader were never affected by bouncing.

    Beneficiaries could also be some midfield teams. Teams like Aston Martin, Alfa Romeo or Alpine. Aston Martin has made the car more robust to ground clearance changes with its B version and can now drive higher without losing too much speed. Alpine and Alfa Romeo have left themselves some breathing room in terms of ground clearance right from the start and have therefore never complained about bouncing problems.

    In these circles in particular, people are pleased with the way the FIA has reacted to the drivers' criticism. Tenor: "It would have been bad if the rules had been changed now just because some teams couldn't cope with this problem. Just like with the minimum weight. And the way you try to do it with the inflation surcharge. The solution to this problem is as simple as the FIA now prescribes. If you put too much on the road, you just have to put your car higher."
     
  7. Paddy Murphy

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    On a scale of DTS watcher to NASA engineer how knowledgeable do you have to be to understand what the fuck he is saying?
     
  8. skeezy

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    I understood most of it but I took a ton of physics in college
     
  9. BP

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    Its easy to understand. I just couldn't explain it to anyone with out using the word witchcraft
     
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  10. jcb-r

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    Upgrades for this weekend:

     
  11. TAS

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    That groundhog crossing the track :beaver:
     
  12. Upton^2

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  13. TAS

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    Article days they're aiming for British GP in 2 weeks

     
  14. London Humphreys

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    Barring something like a wreck or power failure, max might lap everyone.
     
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  16. momux

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    Midfield looking pretty tight. Should make for a fun race, even if RB does look clearly ahead of everyone else.
     
  17. skeezy

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    Merc still experimenting with Lewis like they’re a college freshman
     
  18. jawsthegreat

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    just got logged out accidentally and saw that DBL is trying to claim that I “copied him”. Surprise bitch, I muted you months ago because you’re so god damn annoying. I don’t think about you at all.
     
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  19. dblplay1212

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    Clearly.
     
  20. BP

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    The aramco banner :loldog:


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  21. Keef

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  22. Keef

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    Vettel looking solid this weekend, would be awesome for him to get his win back.
     
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  23. skeezy

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    Pretty moist today. Quali will be interesting
     
  24. Upton^2

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    Vettel and Alonso up top. We’ve rewound through clock
     
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  25. Shiggityshwo

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    really like this track's setting
     
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  26. Upton^2

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    Had tickets to go 2 years ago until Covid ruined everything. Making me jealous I’m not there this year
     
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  27. Andy Reocho

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    I want to thank F1 for leading me to World Chase Tag.
     
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  28. Andy Reocho

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    This should be fun. Wet qualifying.
     
  29. Andy Reocho

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    Also, I want to attend this race sometime. The track/location looks amazing.
     
  30. Keef

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    lol wrong number
     
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  31. All_Luck

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    :gross:
     
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    :shrug:
     
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  33. Keef

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    Perez in the wall trying inters. Think he might be able to back out.

    Nope he’s out and will be p15
     
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  34. Jeffrey Lebowski

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    Inters aren’t it
     
  35. Andy Reocho

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    Wait, Perez doesn’t keep his recorded time?
     
  36. Andy Reocho

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    TBF it sounds like everyone is pretty shocked by it. Horner mentioned it during his interview
     
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  37. skeezy

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    Goddamnit checo
     
  38. skeezy

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    Guess inters weren’t the move yet
     
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  39. Keef

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    He does but everyone is about to go past that time. So I guess it’ll be P14 since Charles isn’t coming out in Q2
     
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    Norris doesn’t record a time with an engine problem and will be p14, Checo p13
     
  41. Andy Reocho

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    Another Q3 for Mick!
     
  42. Andy Reocho

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    Ok I wasn’t sure. I figured since he recorded a time he would keep it, the way the announcers said he will start 15th confused me
     
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    Everyone on Inters except George comes out on softs and goes straight into the wall and damages the rear wing :loldog:
     
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  44. Keef

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    Holy shit Alonso front row
     
  45. Jeffrey Lebowski

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  46. skeezy

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    Peeeee Juan
     
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  47. Keef

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    Haas not bad
     
  48. Andy Reocho

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  49. TAS

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    Alonso :bow:
     
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