If I were Checo I’d say fuck. If RB dumps him he’ll get paid and could be a No 1 for another team. He’s shown he can drive with a good car.
My point is that the idea of Checo having a choice in rolling over for Max is pure fiction. Max is the far better driver and is far more important to the team. Checo has 4 wins at RB and 3 of those involve Max having a mechanical issue. He could be as uncooperative as he wanted and it wouldn't change where Max finishes this season because Max is going to be ahead of him for almost the entirety of it.
Yea no shit. I never said he was going to win the driver's championship. This is all I said: I think it'd be funny bc Max would melt the fuck down if Checo competed as hard with him as Max does with everyone else.
And my point is that Checo is going to spend the season in Max's rear view mirror, so the idea that there are going to be team orders Max needs Checo to comply is fantasy on your part. I don't think you're saying Checo would compete for the title. But I do think you're saying that Checo could be competitive enough to force team orders and that's just clearly not the case. Checo's already been competing as hard as he can these last two season Max has absolutely dusted him.
Checo likely made a million dollars in bonus money yesterday. He likely made 5-10x that for winning the constructors championship. He’s a great driver and a perfect second to max. Max is a Dick, but it’s not a question who #1 is over there. Everyone. Including Checo knows this.
If you look at Bottas's results against Lewis, I think there's a pretty strong case to be made that Checo is performing worse than we should expect as a #2 in the best car.
Going to be a long year if we are filling pages on Max and RB. Merc Ferrari and Aston looking like a proper battle for the non RB Constructors.
I mean they had team orders yesterday and Max disregarded them while Checo followed them. You realize that right? Knowing what we know now, I wish Checo had just gone balls out on the last lap. Again, I'd just like to see Checo do little shit like Max did yesterday. He won't, and even if he did it wouldn't put him in a position to beat Max over the season, but I'd still like to see it bc Max woudl throw a tantrum over it and that's the best we can hope for this season bc those cars make the race non-competitive.
Yeah, to protect Checo. What are you even talking about at this point. Max doesn't need team orders to be successful, Checo 100% does.
I'm asking you the same thing. Both had orders, Checo followed, Max didn't, Checo got screwed bc of it. I'd love to see Max's reaction if the roles were reversed. What's so hard for you to grasp about that?
Let’s change the subject. Not great stuff coming from Sainz. Max even said it was difficult to follow in sector 1.
Yeah Charles said the same. I don’t know if it’s the new tires or what, but following has gotten much tougher and costlier on tire wear
I completely get that you think it'd be great if the roles were reversed. My point has and continues to be that we're not going to see that happen because Max is a far faster and better driver (and has a better car than similarly talented competitors) so he's not going to need team orders (or for Checo to comply with team orders) to be successful this season - unlike Checo. Checo has had chance after chance to be fast enough to race Max or force team orders but it doesn't happen because he's not fast enough. Max started 15th and Checo 1st and he needed team orders to get the win and fastest lap. If they didn't have team orders yesterday, Max for sure gets fastest lap and probably the win as well. But if Checo started 2nd and Max 1st, Max would win and get fastest lap and not need team orders to help with either. That's what's absurd about your position. Max was understandably frustrated yesterday because he was the faster driver and similarly, would not need team orders to protect him if he were leading because, again, he's the faster driver. Sorry y'all, work's slow this morning so I have nothing better to do than argue on the internet.
I agree with all of this except Max having the chance to win. I don't think he had quite enough to catch Checo since he still had to pass Russell and Alonso after the safety car while Checo had over a 5 second lead (by the time Max got into 2nd) on tires that hadn't been used up trying to pass/follow while Checo was in clean air.
He still gained a half second within a couple laps and then dropped back after complaining about the car. Some kind of high pitched sound at high speeds. Brundle even made a pretty good joke about Max never having to drive an economy car on the freeway.
There's a whole lot of if's in this post. Look, I'd like the one person on the grid that occasionally can challenge Max to actually do it. We all know he won't and why he won't and that's fine. I really don't get why you have such an issue with that. I get you're a Max fan but good lord you're being weird about this.
Red Bull should save the money and put some rando in the 2nd car and win the championship by 300 points. Maybe next year someone figures it out but as of now it doesn't matter who is driving either of their cars, they are winning any race their cars finish.
Would still easily bet on them winning the title. That car is in a different class and any driver with the super license would win with it.
Of course he did, but he was also chewing thru the tires at a quicker rate having to push to catch up and he hadn't even gotten to Checo's dirty air which would have made it worse. Max was definitely the fastest car on circuit yesterday, but he didn't have a realistic chance of winning and the safety car was the only reason it was as close as it was.
Max started 1st and Checo started 2nd last race and Max won by 12 seconds. Sure, we can't know for sure what would've happened yesterday but we have kind of a ton of data points on their comparative ability and performance. Do you think it's because he can't or because the team won't let him? I don't have any special affinity for him. I don't really have any non-reserve driver I'm particularly rooting for these days.
And crowd source the strategy "Chat says its time to pit, so we are coming in guys. And poll says we are putting on softs!"
Yeah I shouldn't have said probably, but I think it was possible and don't think that would've been the case with the positions reversed.
1. if if if if if if if if if if if 2. Both? He could have disregarded orders and went balls out yesterday on the last lap like Max did. Would he have beat Max? No clue. But he could have tried but followed orders instead and we know why. Max doesn't give a fuck when he's given the same orders bc he's above them. 3. So you're being weird just to be weird. Got it. Again, if the roles were reversed and Max lost fastest lap bc Checo went for it on the last lap of a race after both had been told to dial it back, Max would absolutely melt the fuck down and I'd love to see it. Really not sure why you have such an issue with that but whatever.
We should let the guy who thought last year he’d finish only a few seconds behind the field in a F1 car get the 2nd seat
The hilarious thing about Ferrari this year is the strategy has actually been quite good, just now the car sucks. They deked Stroll into an early pit stop that got both Sainz and Leclerc past him.
You're going post-for-post with me. Doing the "you're weird to care so much" thing is dumb when you're in the conversation just as much as I am. It seems like you know Max is faster than Checo so I'm not sure why you think it's unreasonable for him to try to get wins or fastest laps when he's the fastest car. And further, if you know Max is faster I'm not sure when you think team orders would need to applied to protect Max from Checo or what danger Checo would pose if he tried to go toe-to-toe with Max. Also, you spent the aftermath of last weekend talking about how anyone at RB is a clear #2 to Max and what a great #2 Checo is, so I'm not sure why you're now so aghast at Max acting like a #1. Lastly, Checo set 3 fastest laps last season on Max wins and there was barely any discussion about it in here so I really don't get why it's such a big deal that the reverse happened yesterday, particularly given the context.
I'm still baffled at what your point is. This is the post that started all of this: Still confused what part you have an issue with. It's not that "You're weird to care so much", it's more you're being weird and not really making a point. Sure, Max is faster than Checo. I don't think anyone has argued otherwise. Is that the point you're trying to make. If so, cool?
Its exactly what I told you, they were moving around the targets. Also lol at Checo crying about Max pushing 32.6, Checo was wanting to coast in at 33+ and Max wasn't going to catch him, but still was pushing him. Don't forget the week before when no one was around Max the engineers had to plead with him to slow down even when he was by himself. But it was very clear from Max's radio comms he was going to push for fastest lap, it was on Checo's engineer for not passing that along (and probably smartly so Checo didn't put it in the wall trying to match).
Agree it was clear Max was going for it but I wouldn't say giving him the time was a "soft green light." They already ordered 1:33 and told him they weren't worried about fastest lap. I'm not saying it's a huge deal, just saying it'd be funny to see Max have a melty if the roles were reversed. idk why that's controversial but this has drug on way longer than it should have so I'll tap out.