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Discussion in 'The Mainboard' started by Bankz, Sep 13, 2009.
F1 thirsty girl fandom is unmatched. It’s legitimately creepy.
I can’t believe the Red Bull drivers were both in on working together to overtake Leclerc yet, 1) didn’t work together, and 2) didn’t use the Shake and Bake strategy
Watched, 1st time viewer. What is the difference between F1 and Indy racing? Also, where can I get cliff's on race rules etc
Thanks, I'll hang up and listen
The money backing the teams and the series.
IndyCar is much closer to a spec series which means their cars are much more similar to one another. All their engines come from either Chevy or Honda and are supposed to all be identical. All the cars chassis are identical. There's very few things that each team can customize on their car.
F1 is the opposite. While of course there are plenty of rules around dimensions and ride heights, etc. The actual cars are bespoke and the focus in F1 is all about aerodynamics.
That's about the shortest explanation I can provide.
Here's quite a few more of the differences between the sports as a whole.
And all this stuff too.
Seems like all the drivers universally loved the track
Relevant things to know for a race weekend:
The race weekend is generally structured as follows: two practice sessions on Friday, one practice session and qualifying on Saturday, and the race on Sunday (Sprint race weekends are a little different, but I won't get into that since I think they're tinkering with the layout for those for next year)
Qualifying consists of three separate sessions. During the first session, the five slowest cars (based on time, not top speed) are eliminated and the remaining 15 advance to session two. Then the bottom five from session two are eliminated, with the top 10 advancing to the final session. The finishing order from the final session determines the starting order for the race for the top 10 (the bottom 10 start in the order they finished when they were knocked out in sessions one or two)
Pirelli has a range of 6 different tire compounds for the teams, and they choose 3 of these to be used each weekend. The softest compound for the weekend is marked red, the medium compound is marked yellow, and the hardest compund is marked white. For wet races, there are two different tire sets: intermediates (marked green) and full wets (marked blue). On a normal weekend, teams are given 13 total sets of dry tires (8 softs, 3 mediums, and 2 hards). Teams must make these last the whole weekend, including all three practice sessions, qualifying, and the race
During a normal dry race, teams are mandated to use at least two different tire compounds. If you watched Vegas, this is why Oscar Piastri had to pit late in the race despite the fact he was running top 4/5 at the time (he had only used the hard tire up to that point and needed to fit a different compound before the race ended)
Unlike Indycar, the cars are not refuled at any point during the race. As such, they're filled with a ton of fuel at the start of each race
Also unlike Indycar, most races only have 1 or 2 pit stops with most teams using the same strategy. This can lead to boring races. The better races this year have been where teams have opted for differing strategies (Singapore and Vegas as examples)
F1's version of Indycar's "push-to-pass" system is called DRS (drag reduction system). Instead of a horsepower boost, this works by opening a slit in their rear wings to reduce drag and increase top speed. A driver is only allowed to use DRS at certain points on the racetrack (generally the longest straights) and only if they are within 1 second of the car in front of them at a specific detection point on the track. There is no limit on how many times DRS can be used in a race, unlike Indycar's overtake system. Separately, the cars are also equiped with an energy recovery system (ERS), where the cars capture energy during the braking process and store it in their battery. A driver can use this stored energy boost as a way to defend against a car behind that is attacking with DRS
There are currently 10 teams with 2 drivers each (so 20 drivers total)
Max Verstappen is inevitable
also the last line makes a great tl;dr
Indy - Best drivers wins the most
F1 - Best car wins the most
Indy is fun if you want to hear the announcers talk about the refueling the car at the best time for 2 hours
Indy - No posts from dblplay1212 complaining about Max/Red Bull
F1 - Welp
Hilarious coming from you ITT
Hey I'm always here to remind the Max homers that he's good but his car is better. Doing the lords work.
Lol is he still being insufferable and posting like someone with the intelligence of a teenager?
Rhetorical question of course
My man you record the freaking grid walk and geek out over it
Funny considering Lewis has a (very small) minority ownership stake in the Broncos
he was fantastic last night and drove his ass off.
they have allowed him to drive like a fucking lunatic without punishment since before he was a title contender. Now that he’s the face of F1… yeah he can do whatever he wants and talk shit on the radio after
Something we can agree on!
By Charles typical standards...great race!
Gallant Knight secret santa
It’s currently $5 on Amazon. Ordered one for my friend who also is anti-Ric
The highlight of the weekend for me was either Keith Urban crushing it or Journey’s new singer.
Is it still Arnel Pineda? I saw Journey with him maybe 7-8 years ago and he was really good.
edit: yep. same guy, still rocks.
Yeah it’s kinda jarring to watch
My couple of thoughts to make this race even better for next year. With some data in hand, the racing is sure to fall off a little. Mainly it’s some full on WTF is a kilometer stuff:
1. Make the drs detection point for LVB just prior to turn 12 and open that shit up just out of 12.
2. Add a DRS zone up Harmon and around 17 starting onto the pit straight. Terrifying? Probably.
3. Monza turn 1 style chicane in the middle of Koval.
4. Wall at the inside of turn 8, but widen the track a little. Create some passing opportunities and get the speed up a touch in that corner.
5. Bank 17 similar to Zandvoort
They need some tweaks, but overall probably less so than a lot of the older tracks
What dumbass decided to make Vegas and Abu Dhabi a back-to-back?
5-6x average weekend, and a record.
Don’t run it at midnight in November
Some are saying that the cool temps are the only thing that held the Ferraris together.
idc about the track temps, I think it added to the strategy and race overall. I do wish it started at like 10-11pm est like a big boxing or UFC fight but I get why they pushed it back a few hours.
Good news for all of you is that it’s even later into November next year!
Watched most the race finally, and it went a whole lot better than I expected after how Thursday/Friday went.
Maybe Vegas will be able to fine tune the crap aspects going forward and make it a solid race weekend/experience.
The fact that the product ended up being really good should bode well for ticket sales next year
It is fucking hysterical how inept this team is at every level
But also entirely plausible
i didn't think it was real until i heard the cartoonish loud slurping noises. charles definitely is a slurper.
I'm so confused at this, he got a time and points penalty from it. He forced someone off which happens all the time, then didn't give the place back which also happens all the time, and then he picked up a penalty for it.
What more should have happened in this situation?
They should have parked him and banned him from the sport - dbl and bankz
Leave him at another gas station
There has been a concern among the drivers and teams this year that the 5 second time penalties that have been used as punishment aren’t doing enough to deter behavior. George in particular has said he will gladly take the penalty if the reward for the move is worth it. We’ve seen numerous times in the past two seasons guys get crashed out of races and the perpetrator still finishes in the points with the 5 second penalty barely affecting their race.
This was a topic on the Race podcast recapping Vegas. They think F1 may reevaluate the rule for next year. Ironically the point they also made was this 5 second penalty for Verstappen realistically should have cost him the race. Their point was that had George not caused the second safety car all the data showed Charles winning rather comfortably because the 5 second penalty caused Max to come out of the pits in traffic behind Charles and after Charles pitted Max would have been on much older tires.
I was talking about years of incidents that he went unpunished and not specifically at that lone event.
With that said he should’ve been forced to give up the spot. Not a time penalty that allowed him to control the pace of the race and is largely meaningless.
Also what points penalty was imposed I must have missed that.