Hard not to graduate from a school whose toughest classes revolve around basket weaving and toe counting
It’s not just ND though. The Northern schools spend most of their money on retention, not enticement. That’s the point. Ohio State’s massive roster budget being a huge example. The vast majority of that was spent on retention. The original recruiting pitch is still about the school and loyalty to it. That’s why there’s less players getting poached than in the SEC, where the relationship is completely transactional from day 1. I’d also contend Bama is probably one of the teams in the SEC that doesn’t face this as much, because you can pitch more than just money. But for the Texas A&Ms and Tennessee’s of the world who start the pitch with a monetary bid, of course roster retention is an issue.
Alabama spends most of their NIL on retention as well, and I believe UGA does the same. Also, I think you’re pretty far off on then poaching thing. If anything, the portal/NIL has made southern talent much more readily available for the rust belt.
Amazingly, you can be good at football and still pitch academics. I know it sounds weird, but it happens, maybe not at Alabama evidently, but it happens. Flad were wasting space in another never ending argument that has zero to do with the game. Every fucking thread dude.
I love how people continually engage dblplay1212 posts like moths to a flame then wonder why the discussion never ends. It’s one of my favorite things on TMB
Idk man Leanord and Downs seem to stand out to me. There's a few schools throwing huge money in the portal. They are spread out over SEC, ACC, and BIG. It's not just a southern thing, it's a few schools thing.
Academics was the fall back excuse when ND stunk. It was never as big of a deal of yall made it out to be. It just made you feel better about being bad.
We’re all familiar with how trolls work. They’ve existed this long because it’s impossible to stop from people who think they’re always right about everything, hence the fucking exhausting. Every thread
Can we get a #Notre Dame Fighting Irish and #Ohio State Buckeyes roll call of attendees for the NCG? Would love to grab a beer and continue to talk in circles in person. It’s one of my favorite past times.
Based on I’m sure you’re exhaustive search of NDs past recruiting classes, right? It’s really ok to say I believe something to be true and no amount of facts from people who have spent the last decade living this will change my mind. I could save you so much time if you’d do this every post.
And if someone did an analysis, I’d imagine you see lesser roster turnover than other SEC schools over the last few years for that very reason. The ironic piece of all of this is that the Ohio States and NDs of the world *do* spend a shit load. From all reports, we’re both top 3 in the country in NIL budget this year. So the money is there to spend it where we want to, but it’s mostly to keep kids happy that were either already here or wanted to be here from the start. Perfect example is Jeremiyah Love. He committed to ND early, didn’t take any other visits, and blew up his senior season. Got multiple 7 figure NIL deals from SEC schools and told ND about it. They said they’d match. He didn’t take visits and signed with ND. Prior to the IU playoff game, he was offered $2M by Oregon’s collective and the chance to be a Nike athlete. He told ND, they matched, and he’s now an Under Armour athlete. Juxtapose that with Nico Iamaleava who took a visit to ND and told them he’d commit on the spot if they offered him $8M. They told him absolutely not. If you make the entire thing about money and nothing else, kids will absolutely come and go on a whim. You can’t expect any loyalty in that situation
Not yet. Undecided but I may go to Birmingham Sunday night instead of Atlanta then just drive over first thing.
There’s a 25% chance that I’m in attendance, there’s a 5% chance I’m in a suite for free. I’m trying not to get my hopes up, but they’re up.
If you trust your evaluations and actually develop guys, spending money on your current roster is a much better investment while allowing you to allocate the remainder of that on a big missing piece if needed. It’s easy to see where that plays out compared to what you’re discussing. Desperation coupled with donors who have more money than they can ever spend remains natty-less and I don’t see that changing any time soon.
Assuming I can find a private seller I will be there. I refuse to pay a broker 2k in fees on principle. I’ve got flights and a place to stay.
Agree overall, but comparing those 2 isn't a great example. If Love was a top 5 player at the time his recruitment started, it probably plays out differently bc he'd have had big money offers before committing. He probably still goes to ND but I doubt he commits and then works out the money later like he did. The higher a kid is rated, the earlier the money plays a role.
I've noticed you like to take shots at us all over the board as often as you can. We may lose this one, too. But it's been a fun run winning this many games, including three straight against some really good teams-including the SEC champs. NIU, Ohio St., boring offense in a semifinal, whatever. This is a good football team that's made it to the national title game with about 70% of its starters still healthy. Hell, probably only 75-80% of the two deep. Keep poking. But remember that you'll never experience this. Ever. You know that. So I hope your sick message board burns fill that hole for you.
His second was A&M who was spending like a drunken sailor at the time. He had plenty of money on the table.
To be fair, if ND offered toe counting, everybody would ace it. It's counting higher than 10 that gives us problems.
ND usually loses out on those recruitments because we generally don’t play that game very well. Which is why from a strategic standpoint, we’ve went out of our way to try to get on kids way earlier in their HS careers than others. It’s why our last recruiting class was 95% filled before the summer started. We want kids committed before bidding wars start. We also tamper in the Portal way before other teams reach out to prospects. Also, this is not me standing on some sort of moral high ground claiming we do things the right way. This is me saying Northern schools have generally run circles around Southern schools when it comes to NIL. We use our money way more strategically, and also have way more of it.
On the other hand, I was sincerely sad about Faust. Grantrd, I'm a Moeller grad, but he was legit a sincere and generous good person, who gave of his time to support and comfort a complete stranger (my dad) who was in his final stages of cancer. Some old coaches weren't shit humans.
we take fewer transfers than our peers generally...we also have a more performance-based NIL model for HSers as well. Too soon to tell which models will become the norm. but I do get Lax's overall point; tho I dont think under-the-table recruiting was limited to the Southeast prior to 2021. Or I know so.
I think you're looking at a few southern schools and turning that into all southern schools. A&M and Tennessee are doing things differently than say Bama and UGA. OSU is doing things differently than say ND. It's not north vs south like you're suggesting imo.
I’ll contend you’re probably right there. I’m painting with a wide brush here and creating large categories when reality is way more nuanced than that. I do think it’s at least directionally correct though, and we can agree to disagree on that. That said, it’s absolutely going to become a narrative going forward given the results of the last two playoffs. For better or worse, that’s going to be the talking point. It already has been.