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Discussion in 'The Mainboard' started by bro, Nov 2, 2023.
5 posts and counting since both said you were not arguing/moving on.
Was thinking the same thing. Ha
Can we stop fucking with shit for a little while?
Rich Hill and Johnny Cueto written all over it
90 loss bucco season soon come
Different clocks for different situations seems like a bit much. Last year was great, roll with that.
Why wouldn't the clock be a little bit longer with runners on?
It is and still would be. It’s 15 seconds with no runners on. Still not sure who was clamoring for this, the rules seemed to accomplish what they wanted. Not sure why there would be a need to reduce the clock further
Ahh hell I didn't realize it was 15 without runners on and 20 with. 15/18 or 15/20, idc.
If it ain't broke, don't fix it. The games were probably too long and this past year was a rousing success. In like every measurable metric.
So of course they're gonna tinker
Who the fuck voted for Chris Martin?
And Framber was dog shit the last half of the season.
didn't know Webb was in position to finish 2nd
WAR isn't everything but Snell winning by a huge margin with 4.1 WAR when multiple guys were over 5 and Wheeler at 5.9 is odd. Feels like 1982 where Snell won bc of a good ERA. I'd have gone Strider.
^^doesn’t know ball
how many freaking nights of awards does mlb do
This is such a dumb way for them roll out the awards but baseball writers are generally stupid so it's probably not going to change.
Snell had the highest baseball-reference WAR of any NL pitcher (6.0), followed by Webb (5.5). Although I think you're correct that in general people just looked at Snell's ERA compared to the rest and voted for him, some could argue on that (more analytical) front.
I'm confused by pitcher WAR at this point and have no issues with anyone who just kind of chucks either version of it for these awards. I don't love Snell winning it, but also don't know that there was another candidate I feel great about saying had to win it over him.
I have a strong opinion about it and I’m fine with using bWAR for handing out recognition while using fWAR to evaluate sustainability of performance
Yea my issue with Snell is he gives no length bc he walks so many batters. He literally led baseball in bb/9 and bb%. He walked over 13% of the batters he faced. Yea he had a great ERA in one of the best pitcher parks in baseball but he averaged 5.2 IP this year.
This is generally where I'm at with Snell. The innings + control + ballpark make it tough for me to root for him to win awards. I hated the CY he won over Verlander in 2018 because Verlander threw 34 more innings with 0.6 higher ERA. To me, I'll take that difference when Snell isn't pitching more than 6 ever. I just don't think there was a candidate in the NL that was great this year to really get any interest in arguing it. Strider's ERA was 2 runs higher and at some point that seems like it should matter.
I'm kind of out on FIP as a stat I take really seriously for awards at this point with the way the game is played. It's good like bwi2 said for projections and whatnot, but it seems like there's a lot more noise in that number now compared to 10-15 years ago. The number of guys now whose ERAs and FIPs are more than a run difference (in either direction) seems much higher, but maybe I'm just old now and remembering it wrong.
The problem with bWAR is it also has some stuff in there regarding defense and parks that I'm not sure I really understand or agree with. I think it's just hard to judge pitchers for awards this way now with so many of them throwing fewer innings than they used to combined with the current way the game is played. Because it feels like, at some point, the runs allowed element should matter when deciding who had the best season.
Of course ERA matters but how you got there matters too. Snell led the league in walks by a wide margin but ended up with a nice ERA bc he had the 2nd lowest BABIP in a great park. Not a fan of rewarding that. I'd have gone Strider, Wheeler, Webb, or Gallen over him. Most of them contributed like 5 more Snell starts lol.
I'm excited for a new location in baseball but will be weird with no games in Oakland.
Jordan Lyles had the best BABIP in the AL and still had a 6.28 ERA.
Just took a fan survey via the Athletic and sharing here to see if anyone else wants to take it, it seemed like a fresh survey via an icognito window after i submitted my initial responses. Will be sure to share the final results here if/when i see them published.
those non-Ohtani bats are a depressing list.
absolute poverty organization and I wonder how much of the Vegas stadium is gonna come from tax payers
Yea not a single one I'd want at the money they'll cost.
I had a hard time making a selection on the top FA pitcher list, too--at least when taking into account the years/money it will take--ultimately went with Nola.
I think we all know the answer to this is going to be a significant portion.
I went through it quick, missed Nola was even on there. Went Japan guy while knowing nothing about him except his agent hates Cashman.
at least vegas can probably do that through taxing hotel rooms
Fisher is such a piece of shit.
I don’t even look at pitcher WAR anymore. I just look at their SIERA and baseball savant page
one of the more disgusting sagas in the history of the sport
Voting to allow a team to move while not having a major league stadium to play in is insane. They're going to be in an empty minor league team hosting real franchises.
Come play a few games in DR please
Did Georgia repeal the election law?
This franchise stinks. The Boyer they’re referring to here is Brooks Boyer, who is their head of sales and basically runs the business side of the Sox.
very true. what an embarrassment.
It's frankly impressive how much goodwill the White Sox have lit on fire the last few years - both from the perspective of the lost opportunity granted by the Cubs retreating, and from their talent and likability just disappearing overnight.
Jerry will probably decide to build a stadium in Joliet next because they give him a sweet deal.
winning the MVP unanimously is pretty baller
doing it twice
first to do that