I think that last year seeming like there was only 3 legit 1st round QBs but 5 being taken and them all working out to one extent or another are going to embolden more front offices to take shots.
I get that this isn't the best QB draft, but can they afford not to swing on a QB? That roster seems ready to be competitive if they can get someone competent at the position. Wasting another year of Garrett and that defense seems ill advised. I guess there is always Cousins...
excuse me if we ignore the evaluation skills of the guy who has been loud wrong about Cam Ward for a full year.
So unless they beat the odds and somehow Ward or Sanders morphs into Jayden Daniels then next year will be wasted with a struggling average rookie QB anyway. Then they would’ve wasted Garrett, that defense, and the second-overall pick. Miss out on a potential superstar at another position to take a major gamble that an average-graded player will develop into a franchise quarterback.
Dick measuring over NFL qb evaluations is hilarious because we’ve all had insanely dumb takes on it before Matt Ryan is my all time favorite”wtf was I thinking making that guy a bust” prediction
If the phins draft a safety and not olineman I will lock Ross and Grier inside hard rock and burn it down
IMO there is a difference between a team like the Titans/Giants who are at the beginning of a complete rebuild punting on a QB for a year and a team like the Browns who seem to have most everything else outside of QB figured out. I'd say it's a shallow QB class with two extremely talented but high risk QBs at the top and low ceiling caliber QBs behind them. Because of that risk, Ward/Sanders should be mid-first value but QB scarcity will cause teams to over-draft them as has been the pattern for the last 5+ years.
you aren't wrong, but anyone with two eyes can see that The Banks has had one of the weirder obsessions regarding Cam Ward since the second he entered the portal last year.
That's literally the opposite of what you just argued yesterday, and Cleveland does not have everything else outside of the QB figured out. Not even close.
I'm not trying to change his mind. Just laughing about how he keeps being wrong about Ward, and that's with me thinking he needs to have some major flaws coached out of him if he wants to be successful in the NFL.
Then I guess we have different opinions of their roster, because it seems to me like they have an elite defense, a good OL, a #1 WR in Jeudy, a top 10 TE, and a servicable run game. A good QB makes them a 10-11 win team. If this was Madden, I'd say flip that pick for an established QB and go, but those kind of trades don't happen in real life. The one time I am positive about an Ohio based sports team and this is the response I get. how rude
The Browns OL sucks. The Browns running game sucks. The Browns defense is far from elite. I wouldn't even call it good.
The 1st round QBs of the 2024 class largely produced and performed well it wasn't just Daniels. A couple of them despite terrible coaching and few because of it. When I speak about the 2025 class I'm going off analytical data only and based off that the 2025 class is below what the 2024 class put up. Ward, Sanders, Dart put up analytical data in line with Penix and Nix. Its where I would rank them if you included both classes together. Both those guys look like they can be starting level QBs in the NFL. The question becomes where is the franchise as a whole and do you want to waste a season or two developing a QB or would you rather dabble in the trade/fa market and bring in a vet. But the answer to that is more timeline of the franchise and not skill of the rookie QB class.
Their defense was middle of the pack in every statistic. Their secondary is bad. Their OL has 4 of its 5 starters 30 or over and all of them (including the 1 young guy) had mediocre/bad PFF grades. Jeudy is not a #1 WR and they don't have a legit #2 or #3 WR. And they have a QB who can't be moved off their roster for 2 years taking up about a quarter of their cap during that time. And you're basically looking at that roster outside of Watson and saying "Looks good. No notes." I think that's very generous of you.
I'm not a browns fan, you would know better but as an outsider it looks like what project they had in place has failed and come to an end. That they should be looking to sell of guys like Garrett for as much draft capital as possible and begin a rebuild. And with that said I'm not sure I would put a rookie QB in that spot. Drafting top non QB available or a trade down makes a ton of sense if my take on the franchise is correct. If you aren't 100% in love with a QB in this class (and I'm not sure why anyone would be) then trade back build up the roster, select in the top 5 next and then take a stab at QB.
Yeah, almost everyone in the Browns thread wants them to sell off everyone of value for draft picks and do a full rebuild.
That makes the most sense, and I edited my post so you may not have caught this but I don't think you toss a rookie QB into a year 1 rebuild. I probably trade back and gather more draft capital and then take a stab at a QB with your top pick next year. If Garrett is traded he's going to command a 1st rounder + in return one would imagine...
Browns are a dumpster fire. Maybe you can get enough from the older guys but you gotta nail all your draft picks and FA signings to get this back to a playoff team. Not to mention there's still the rapist elephant in the room On top of that, I can't even begin to imagine how toxic that locker room probably is.
It would make sense to reach and take a shot on them later in the first round. The thing that stands out in this class is none of the quarterbacks are good enough to justify their projected position, need or not. Quarterbacks taken first overall or in the top-three need to either be a no doubt day-one starter or have elite traits. Sanders and Ward are average athletes with no elite traits relative to the position. I couldn’t sign off on using a top-three pick on any of them. Taking a flyer later down the board and letting them develop behind a veteran for a couple years makes way more sense.
I mean if you're drafting purely on potential, Milroe is the potential guy in this draft. If the Dolphins got their hands on him in the second or third I'd be very pleased with that even if it means skipping on an olineman but we should be drafting that with the first anyway... We need a lot more tho on both lines, wouldn't mind draft someone like Dart in the alter rounds as well
Browns should draft Milroe , yolo with Jamies for two more years til your about done with Watson $. Then start Milroe after tanking two years for Jeremiah Smith.
Is there a team besides Penn State who aren’t losing at least half their starters/top end talent? Seems like every decent team is getting gutted this offseason and not like Penn State aren’t taking a hit losing by far their 2 best players