just finished, im beyond raging. i hope the series never gets completed, fuck that fat fucking fatass
Should probably avoid posting things like this. Tbqh there's only like two things left in the entire series that could happen to make me feel like this, so now Im guessing. that said- p350 Spoiler Asha dead. Guess not much of a spoiler. Couldn't see her having much of a role in the story.
At least I know what page I am on now. That is the only thing that annoys me badly about iBooks. They should give you the equivalent book page for reference. Spoiler If that is her true end (who knows at this point), her storyline sucked. Her best moment was her first moment and it was all downhill from there, and almost unnecessary. The way I see it is that she accomplished nothing and just took up a lot of pages to plot to achieve nothing. The Greyjoys in general are just an annoying sidebar at this point.
i havent read the book yet or the spoilers but i do want one question answered does winter finally fucking come?
I doubt ti considering the book is supposed to be mostly parallel to book 4, with some progression towards the end. My understanding was Fall would be awhile.
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Re: Stay out of thread unless done with book 5- doubt he is really dead. but i was pissed when they killed him. he will be reborn like the prophecy says
BTW, I don't mean this in an obnoxious way, but it must be killing you that you have finished the book and have so few people to really discuss it with at this point. I am up to about page 400. Just finished... Spoiler The Davos Chapter where you find out what everyone figured already...not dead I am cruising along though, so I figure I will be done by the end of the weekend or early next week.
i dont think so. winter had come by the end of the 4th. tbh, i'm happy not talking about it. cause i just get annoyed by the fat fuck
did it? I am not great with details. I just couldn't wait to finish book 4 because it was annoying the fuck out of me. Frankly, I don't even remember how it ends.
Im almost done with book 4 and its just not that great and really hard to finish.I really hope A dance with dragons is better.
i think i just read the spoiler that everybody was pissed about and if its true . Does this fat fuck just wanna destroy every great character in these books
Re: Stay out of thread unless done with book 5- Can't wargs jump into their familiars? Even if he is dead, he could continue on as Ghost/Jon.
Re: Stay out of thread unless done with book 5- yeah and he AA needs to be reborn during winter. Jon just died and will return in winter. probably something to do with mel
Re: Stay out of thread unless done with book 5- That my other reason for not being worried. There's a fucking necromancer in the castle!
Spoiler The more I think about this, the more I am calling BS. I feel like I have seen this scene too many times already. I am guessing it is Arya in the river all over again. It just doesn't make sense for someone who has had point of view chapters to have done so little. I am guessing this is not the end.
I am not one who really cares so much about being spoiled, so no big deal. That said, I understand why you would post this, and IT as well, but as someone reading the book now I know there is a big death coming, and given the foreshadowing so far int he book I am reasonably sure I can piece it together. Probably best not to mention raging, death and shit like that, but it is probably too late anyway.
not going to read this thread until I'm done, which could be awhile because I have been at the office like 14 hours every day this week. Just finished Dany's first POV chapter
GOD DAMN IT I HATE THAT FAT FUCK I HOPE HIS FAT ASS CHOKES ON A FUCKING CHICKEN BONE AND DIES GOD DAMN IT
Re: Stay out of thread unless done with book 5- guys im so sad i dont even want to finish the last couple povs in the fucking book now
in Tryrions 3rd or 4th chapter on Spoiler the shy maid with griff, young griff, and blah blah...when the said that young griff had almost purple eyes, now whenever someone has purple eyes we always assume they are Aegon. but i noticed that they dye his hair blue so no one will know his true hair color. and they are teaching him an awful lot for being griffs "son". don't have to respond, just started thinking about it when they said purple eyes.
Re: Stay out of thread unless done with book 5- Yup, just completely drained by that one chapter. Really, it was worse than the red wedding to me. I guess I will be in the huge minority based off of critic reviews and all, but I thought the book was his worst effort to date. I think he wasted way too much time with the events across the narrow sea, without those events really having any major impact on the actual story. The Dany POVs were a struggle for me to get through. I think its because, other than Selmy, there is no attachment to the characters who surround her over there. I could not care less what happens to any of them. Think he screwed up by moving too many pieces into play on that side of the map.
Re: Stay out of thread unless done with book 5- agreedm some of danys chapters were hard to get through.. selmy was a boss though.
Re: Stay out of thread unless done with book 5- I think he should have included the Dany chapters in FoC and but the Cersei chapters from FoC in DwD
Re: Stay out of thread unless done with book 5- I was really hoping Cersei was going to get killed at the end of her walk instead she gets a zombie also didnt like how Jaime gets a single chapter then oh hey guys Brienne is still alive and we never hear from Jaime again book was decent but nothing really seemed to happen except Jon getting betrayed, Arya becoming a Faceless Man, and Dany riding Drogon.....gonna be pissed if we have to wait another 5 years for the next book. Cant imagine how people that have been reading the series from the beginning feel if GRRM waits another 5 years to release the next book it will have been like 15 years since anything major happened in the series
Re: Stay out of thread unless done with book 5- dany is taking her sweet ass fucking time. hopefully she can figure out how to control her fucking dragon, dunno how she gonna control the other two either. and the victarion shit, man i just dunno what the point is
Re: Stay out of thread unless done with book 5- yea the victarion shit was kinda out there....he is still sailing to dany just pirating the fuck out of ships there was really no fucking point to any of it
Book Pg. 504 (digital copy) because it seems they're different than the paperfags. Involves Barriston talking about the past to Dany and supports some theories presented at the ToweroftheHand website... Spoiler Tyrion Targaryen Camp... “As you command.” The white knight chose his words with care. “Prince Aerys ... as a youth, he was taken with a certain lady of Casterly Rock, a cousin of Tywin Lannister. When she and Tywin wed, your father drank too much wine at the wedding feast and was heard to say that it was a great pity that the lord’s right to the first night had been abolished. A drunken jape, no more, but Tywin Lannister was not a man to forget such words, or the ... the liberties your father took during the bedding.” His face reddened. “I have said too much, Your Grace. I—” I wasn't sold on it before and still aren't quite but that makes it a lot more believable to me. Especially considering the strife he's endured in this book.
Complete Spoiler for Book 5: Spoiler To me, the beginning of the book was great and had a good pace, then the middle lagged and the last closed everything up for the next book. I liked it but it moves so slow. IMO, no way it's done in 7. First, Jon isn't dead. He can't be dead. There is nothing in the north to really draw in readers if Jon is dead and the next book is called "Winds of Winter". Who's there that people are really interested in? BranGod? Melisandre? Bran, as this Godlike being, is nothing more than a side piece now in my view and Meli isn't much better. One, probably both, will have a part in Jon's recovery. Maybe Bran will speak to Jon like the 3eyed crow did to him or maybe he's opposes Brynden and R'hollor will take the major part in Jon's recovery. Either way Jon needed something like this to make him hard. He was a pink boy, really. He spent some time north of the wall and had a few moments but nothing really. Mance is the man and hardened like Jon need's to be. When it talked about how he had to prove himself to all the leaders in the North in order to become King and then dominated Jon while they were sparring . I'm glad he's alive (I didn't catch that that was him in Winterfell until Bolton's letter). Jon can be like him but better bc he's Warg. I'm not sold on the direction it will take but from it he'll be a hardened/scarred up badass motherfucking leader. He needed to be more like Mance, imo and will be once he recovers from this and hopefully Mance makes it somehow too. (I hope he gets a pov in the North (please don't make him another Reek)). The council Jon was complaining about (that betrayed him) will be gone and his true Right Hand's will rise in his defense through his recovery. The Targ's and Starks should listen to their animals because they obviously know what's up, at all times. Also, Sam will come back. If you think Jon is dead then you have to believe Sam's story is a dead end too. Sam's solid, but the only one holding him up throughout this entire story is Jon. At first I was nervous because Ghost was doing the same god damn shit Rob's wolf was doing so you knew something was coming. When it happened I had to put the book down to think. Now, I'm glad it happened bc the story will be better bc of it. If he's dead, I quit. No way that is the case though. I don't know if it was good enough for me to wait six years for a next one but it was good. As long as Jon's alive I'm excited to see what directions he takes. I'm rooting for Mance and Littlefinger pov's in Winds of Winter. Will be so badass.
Re: Stay out of thread unless done with book 5- Was super pissed at the end of the last Jon chapter. But I doubt he's dead, and I saw this from the westeros.org site. "Smoke" (really condensation in the air) from his wounds. Salt from Bowen Marsh's tears. "Under a bleeding star" - Ser Patrek's bloody dead body was being waved around in the air by the giant, and his heraldry is a star. The last one is too much to be a coincidence, but it could also be GRRM poking fun at us, even if Jon ends up being another of the dragon's heads. - 3 signs of Azor Ahzai reborn Other than that, I would say this book was awesome up to halfway, then stalled. Tyrion with Griff was awesome. I love Victarion. His character is just awesome. I could not follow much of Dany's storyline due to the names. I mean fuck.
Spoiler I raged at first about all this, but when I started thinking about it I realized it was a great decision. Jon will become a hardened badass and his true friends will rise up while his enemies will be exposed. I agree that either Bran or Melisandre will help in Jon's recovery, leaning to Melisandre right now.
Re: Stay out of thread unless done with book 5- Yeah I think Melisandre will help him in his recovery and finally realize he is Azor Ahzai reborn. Jon will come back a huge badass. Agree about the Dany storyline, fuck all those retarded names, but Selmy is a boss
Re: Stay out of thread unless done with book 5- I just finished, and I share a lot of your feelings. I think the big problem for me is the same thing that people praise Martin for; defying convention. Convention is convention for a reason, and I am struggling to want to get behind new characters and hate new characters. So much of the books are spent on people who were footnotes in previous books, that it makes it hard to connect. I liked the book, but I would put it as #4 for me of the 5.
Re: Stay out of thread unless done with book 5- As far as Jon is concerned, that was spoiled for me by all the posts on here. It was easy to figure it would be him that potentially died based upon the outrage and the Melisandre foreshadowing in the book. That said, when I read the chapter I never took that as him being dead. It ended just like so many other chapters where we thought someone died, Arya, Asha, etc. Interesting on the Smoke, tears... It seems a bit of a reach to be real, but I agree it could be Martin poking fun more than the actual prophecy coming true. The Qwentyn stuff was very annoying and almost entirely unnecessary in retrospect (unless there is more to it). The Griff/Aegon stuff was really the only new character stuff that held my interest. The Dornish stories are the most boring in the books by far for me. I didn't mind the Brienne and Jamie stuff so much, but it would have been nice to give us a little more. I am not even sure what the point of the Arya stuff was in this book. There was so little of it, that it was more or less a throw in and felt like it could have been part of the next book or maybe even the last. Theon was more interesting than I thought it would be, but also annoying. For awhile he kind of reminded me of the Smeagle or Padain Fain characters of other fantasy books, but maybe he has come full circle now. I didn't realize that Mance was the singer until Jon got the letter, and I felt like face palming myself after that. Kings Landing is just a fucking mess of weakness right now and Westeros in general does not seem worth winning. It is so inferior to everything on the other side of the world right now. Very curious about Sam, Davos, Sansa, Littlefinger, and even Stannis, although I never cared to much for him. Seems a very anticlimactic way to go out.
Re: Stay out of thread unless done with book 5- the appearance of aegon could cause problems for littlefingers plans.. i assume, dorne finds out about the prince dying, aegon shows up the south declares for aegon. the north is fucked and basically wont be involved with that. tyrell and lannister although there are no real lannisters with kevan dying versus aegon and dorne maybe
Re: Stay out of thread unless done with book 5- I don't think it will be that conventional going forwards.
Re: Stay out of thread unless done with book 5- So the more I sit here and realize that I won't know shit for quite awhile the more my rage builds with this book. While I definitely liked it more than Book 4, it was by no means anywhere close to books 1-3, and the amount of cliff hangers that were left considering how long of a wait we have until the next book (unless this was planned and somehow he surprises us with a quick book 6 release) is totally annoying and amateurish. He doesn't need cliff hangers to sell these books at this point in the series. There are few people who have read this far who won't be looking for the payoff. Considering the book started with a Prologue about wargs, why not give us a chapter abut Jon and what happens next considering most people have likely guessed at it in some manner anyway, and it would serve to tie up a loose end that Martin already knows about? Honestly, the Jon stuff doesn't worry me, but I will not be happy if he comes back like a Catelyn or in the form of an animal. He has to be a person, and he has to maintain Jon's memories and persona or I will be pissed. I have had enough of Bran's nonsense. There is no need for 2 of these types of Stark's at this point. Dany's story in this book was so fucking annoying now that I have time to think about it. It dragged, and dragged, and nothing was accomplished. To be honest, I have never been a big fan of her story from the beginning although I am guessing it becomes the main storyline at some point. I've only ever cared about Westeros, and this book had so little to do with it, and what is left of Westeros now is just pockets of humanity. It feels like everyone is dead and there aren't that many people left. There are little fiefdoms, and nobody has any money left, and everyone is pretty much powerless. It doesn't make things very interesting. Even the biggest villains, like Ramsey Snow, seem easily quelled if you put any type of force against him.
Re: Stay out of thread unless done with book 5- No Littlefinger or Tywin definitely made it seem like there is no one with real power in Westeros
Re: Stay out of thread unless done with book 5- As much as Littlefinger has achieved, I still don't look at him as a force of a man who commands 100's of thousands of people. He may at some point, but he still is on the rise at this point.