A Dance With Dragons Discussion [Book 5]

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  1. RoyalShocker

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    Good example of reading far too literally into a line, which as someone else said, is exactly what book readers have been doing for years because a half-decade at least passes between each book.

    "You are your father's son" is a simple saying, or in this case YOU (Jaime) are not half the man your father was- BUT your brother is truly your father's son...

    That's it, that's all.
     
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  2. Pawpride

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    Disagree, champ made a good point and that theory has credence. Just cause you don't believe that theory doesn't mean he is overanalyzing the situation. On my reread it was something that actually stuck out to me. There are plenty of examples of people overanalyzing certain quotes to fit their narrative. I don't think this falls in that category though.
     
  3. am16401

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    what she did in the first book is more than enough for her to always be hated. Bitch snitched out her own fucking family
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  4. NCHusker88

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    So is Grandma Lannister trying to cryptically hint at something to Jaime? Because most other instances of subtle foreshadowing happen in dreams or prophesies, not in the middle of random conversations
     
  5. Pawpride

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    Perhaps, someone of her age could have knowledge of the situation seeing how she is family. There are examples of other hints in random conversations. An example would be the Southron Ambitions theory when Lady Dustin?? drops hints at Theon about the Vale/Riverlands/North all allying up and her grievances with the situation and how it turned out. That was done in random conversation. I don't think we as readers get to use absolutes when discussing Martin's methods when he has proven the depth of his novels reach levels recently thought unfathomable. An epic novel with hundreds of characters and overlapping stories. If Martin wrote it and hints at it, it's enough for me.
     
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  6. NCHusker88

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    That's entirely different. Because the southron ambitions were actually relevant to that conversation and much of it was common knowledge. It wasn't like she was dropping a hint to the person she was talking to hoping they might decipher it.

    It makes seriously zero sense. Is she trying to tell Jaime that Tyrion is a Targ by saying that Tyrion is really his father's son? Or that Jaime is a Targ? Or that Tyrion isn't? Seriously I have no idea what message she'd be trying to portray and why she'd be so fucking incomprehensible about it. More likely she was just using a very common in turn of phrase.
     
  7. NCHusker88

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    And we can make some assumptions based on how he's foreshadowed things in the past and how he's inserted other Easter Eggs. There's nothing else that's even close to as retarded as this one would be. Either she knows about it and is being needlessly cryptic when she'd have no reason to be, or she doesn't know about it and it'll be a mildly amusing irony. Either way, you can't point to it as any kind of evidence of anything.

    It's like if I tried to say that Sansa is secretly a lemon farmer named Pablo and it's been hinted at every time she talks about her love for lemon cakes.
     
  8. Craig Pettis

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    I forget bc it's been so long, but what was the point of Cersi walking through the city naked? Isn't there still going to be a trial by combat?
     
  9. Cawgs or Gie!

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    Shame
     
  10. jorge

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    I think the penance walk just got her out of jail until the trial by combat
     
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  11. Craig Pettis

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    I went back and checked. She confessed to the incest with Lancel but denied adultery and conspiring to kill Robert.
     
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  12. colonel_forbin

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    Finished book 5 last night. God I can't believe I still have to wait for TWoW. I just read the Alayne chapter from TWoW on GRRM's website. Aren't there other released chapters?
     
  13. BayouMafia

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    There are two more that I know of/have read:
    Victarion and Asha

    Not sure if the Victarion one was ever published but I saw a video of GRRM doing a live reading of it
     
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  14. Pharoh

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    there is a Theon, Arianne, Arya, and Tyrion, may be forgetting 1 or 2
     
  15. zeberdee

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    isn't there a Selmy?
     
  16. Pharoh

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    correct, but I'm not sure if that was just the one included at the end of the paperback DwD or if there was another as well
     
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  18. UA412

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    Mercy is a must read. Would probably do so before the next two episodes.
     
  19. Heavy Mental

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  20. Pharoh

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    Go down a little bit past the updates and writing progress and you will see something mention released chapters. Starting with Theon 1. Just click on the name and it will take you to the chapter.
     
  21. Heavy Mental

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    Cheers
     
  22. DuckD

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    I refuse to read The Winds of Winter one random chapter at a time. But that's just me...
     
  23. Neyland

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    Same, but I've been thinking about giving in.
     
  24. Heavy Mental

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    I just gave in this week. I'm tired of waiting, just needed something.

    He's such a good writer, but he's an insufferably slow writer. The prose in the Mercy chapter is particularly well done.
     
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  25. Neyland

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    I will read them tonight, then.
     
  26. Pharoh

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    All it does it continue the story a little bit. Nothing groundbreaking
     
  27. Cawgs or Gie!

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    I read every released chapter and every spoiler, but that's just me.
     
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  28. ANTWONE

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    I'm the kinda weirdo who would probably read the ending if it was posted
     
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  30. Heavy Mental

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    What is the deal with the whole "where do whores go thing" anyways? I mean I remember Tyrion always saying / thinking that shit, but was there some ultimate point to it all? I remember not really giving a fuck when I was reading this.
     
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  31. Hub-City-Hero

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    He's thinking back to that girl who he married way back in the day, Tysha, who wasn't actually a whore like Tywin and Jaime told him. I think it was Jaime who told him the truth as he freed him from the black cells. Tyrion asked Tywin before killing him about where Tysha went and he said "wherever whores go".
     
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  32. NCHusker88

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    Ugh the Tyrion - Tysha inner conflict is a fantastic character piece. I don't understand how someone couldn't be into it
     
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  33. voltime

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    Ehh it's way to drawn out in the books glad the show is not gonna fixate on it. I realize Tyrion has a lot of inner demons but fuck that.
     
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  34. RoyalShocker

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    It's the most important event in his life... Other than his birth defect, it's what shaped him into the character we first meet in A Game of Thrones... Beyond that, we later discover along with Tyrion that the only person be truly loves and trusts played a major role in the whole sick plot. It's a hugely important event if you care about or like Tyrion.
     
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  35. am16401

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    Yeah it's a lot better storyline to make him fixated on an actual whore who lied on him to try and get him killed, was fucking his dad, and attempted to kill him the last time she saw him.
     
  36. DuckD

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    Love Tyrion, couldn't give two shits where whores go.
    It was beginning to get as annoying as the incessant whining of Mama Stark.
     
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  37. voltime

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    To say that is the single most important thing that happened in his life is wrong, we're talking about a person who royally screwed him. Idk about you but if a girl did that to me I wouldn't go out looking for her, most guys would move on with their life and learn from the experience. Is it an important event? Sure but it's not important in the grand scheme of things when it comes to creating a show.
     
  38. am16401

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    what??? how did she screw him. his father and bother lied and said that she was a whore that Jamie hired to take Tyrion virgin miget D, because Tywin didn't like the fact that Tyrion married a commoner and thought she was after their money. To compound the matter his father made his men basically rape her right in front of Tyrion and also made him finish her off. Who knows she very well may have been after his money or felt indebted for Tyrion and Jamie saving her and didn't really love Tyrion, but what we do know is the two weeks they her and Tyrion lived as husband and wife is what Tyrion constantly remembers as the happiest time in his life (even while thinking it was all just a trick by Jamie).

    Yeah if their was someone who actually made me happy and my family tore us apart under false pretenses I probably would be looking for her as well. I much rather him be hungup on someone who as Jamie described was basically who Tyrion thought she was when he married her, instead of being hungup on an actual whore who was screwing him over in more ways than one. The fact that the show has made Shae the foundation for Tyrion killing Tywin is one of the worst plot points in the show.
     
  39. RoyalShocker

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    I think you are confusing Shae and the woman that Tyrion married
     
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  40. voltime

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    No I'm not
     
  41. voltime

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    Lol well the way i interpreted it from the books is that she was really was just after his money and didn't really care for him it was all a set up from the beginning, Idk Tyrion has so much more to offer then to worry about his shitty family or his love life, which is the way the show writers are trying to portray him.
     
  42. NCHusker88

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    You should learn to read better
     
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  43. voltime

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    I mean Martin works with the show writers so.....maybe i'm right in that it's not that big of a deal to stray away from that story. But who am I to disagree with you guys on an interpretation from a book that show writers get paid millions to determine the importance of a story that the book writer signs off on. Silly me right?
     
  44. am16401

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    Yeah because the show writers haven't done stuff that Martin doesn't really agree with, oh wait Martin wanted Selmy to get murked in an alley by a bunch of masked fags. Also you need to watch the show better because they've still made Tyrion all moppy about his failed love life but instead of it being for an innocent girl who loved him and was screwed over by his evil father he's moppy about a piece of shit whore.
     
  45. voltime

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    I mean his book editor was unhappy with that, you can't say Martin was or wasn't happy with that definitively...
     
  46. Ace Boogie

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  47. DollarBillHokie

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    Why does Dorne support the Targaryeans after Rhaegar falls in love with Lyanna Stark?
     
  48. three stacks

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    i'm not sure it was widely known that he eloped with her and she was pregnant with his child. that being said, elia's son, aegon, was rhaegar's heir and would be in line to claim the iron throne. that seems like it would be enough for them to back him as well. you also have to factor that the dornish have much different attitudes regarding mistresses/paramours.
     
  49. Larry Sura

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    they also hate the lannisters
     
  50. three stacks

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    their hatred of the lannisters stems from tywin sacking king's landing. also, the lannisters were neutral up until that point. i don't think that factors in.