Actor from Empire attacked in Chicago, fully exonerated after witch hunt.

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  1. spagett

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    She's owns that. That's on her. Hand up.
     
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  2. southlick

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  3. spagett

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    Oh dear god that's terrifying
     
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  4. Tug

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    This is not a good thing
     
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  5. dblplay1212

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    I don't see Google doing that. Hell Apple won't even unlock a phone for the FBI after a mass shooting.
     
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  6. THF

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    :roll:
     
  7. dblplay1212

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    ???
     
  8. bwi2

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    That's not how either the respective technologies or court orders work
     
  9. GGCD

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    explain
     
  10. dblplay1212

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    You think they'll hand it over without a fight?
     
  11. bwi2

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    In the Apple encryption case, the FBI sought to compel Apple to create new software to break their existing encryption. The files may have physically been stored on an Apple server, but Apple did not have access to them, and would have had to hack their own systems/compromise the security of their encryption to comply. This is a much more run-of-the-mill warrant provided on a service provider to produce records in the service provider's possession. Google has access to all of the information being compelled by the warrant. They don't have to hack their own software to comply with the warrant. Their terms of service and privacy policy explicitly state:

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    We will share personal information outside of Google if we have a good-faith belief that access, use, preservation, or disclosure of the information is reasonably necessary to:

     
  12. dblplay1212

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    It looks like about they only produce data in about 60% of requests. I think 12 months of full access to everything he's done is a bit broad.

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  13. GuyOnA_Buffalo

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    A lot of graphs that say you’re likely wrong.
     
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  14. dblplay1212

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    That graph and text is from their transparency report. :idk:
     
  15. bwi2

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    It's not a request (for which Google complied and produced at least some data in over 80% of requests originating in the United States), it's a signed warrant compelling disclosure which already inherently comes with a judge determining that there is a sufficient basis to require the records to be turned over. At most, they may seek to narrow production, but there is no scenario in which they hand over nothing like Apple.
     
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  16. GuyOnA_Buffalo

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    Not trying to be an asshole, but I’d love to read a post of yours that says “oh, I didn’t realize...”
    Just to know you’re capable.
     
  17. dblplay1212

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    Right, my original comment was the about how broad the warrant is. A day, a week, even a month, ok. A full year of full access to all emails, pictures, and files? Seems a but broad to me. I'll admit the Apple comparison was off.
     
  18. dblplay1212

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    They are out there.
     
  19. Tony Ray Bans

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    Google employee here. They will most likely turn over the data. Pushbacks have occurred but they mostly center around free access to peoples accounts or IT infrastructure instances. Turning over search history etc on court order happens quite a bit.
     
  20. GuyOnA_Buffalo

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    Is The Internship based on a true story?
     
  21. Tony Ray Bans

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    My own life story actually.
     
  22. Bert Handsome

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    Kim Foxx is lawyered up as well

     
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  23. TheFreak55

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    Least a year
     
  24. NoNatty

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    I’m not an attorney, but from reviewing evidence files, I have never seen pushback from Google/Facebook/Telecom companies when there is a court order for data they have.
     
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  25. Jack Parkman

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    dblplay1212

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  26. dblplay1212

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    Did you skip over the entire discussion last night?
     
  27. NoNatty

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    I had a case last week with 8000 pages of Facebook data that’s spanned 18 months.
     
  28. dblplay1212

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    Details on case?
     
  29. TDCD

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    That’s classified bro
     
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  30. NoNatty

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    a sex charge. It is not unusual at all, and i can rattle off example after example. If they have the data and there is a warrant they’ll turn it over.
     
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  31. dblplay1212

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    Like I said last night, a couple days, a week, or even a month seems reasonable. Full access to his entire data for a year seems overly intrusive. Maybe I'm wrong. If they hand it over today, I'll say that.
     
  32. TDCD

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    How about 2 months
     
  33. dblplay1212

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    I assume they had reason to believe he'd been encouraging that behavior for a very long time?
     
  34. Jack Parkman

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    you didn’t see google doing that

    a google employee himself says they will most likely do it and they turn that stuff over all the time

    cmon....one time for the audience
     
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  35. dblplay1212

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    Probably fair.
     
  36. dblplay1212

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    That guy could be the janitor for all I know.
     
  37. Jack Parkman

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    a google janitor though
     
  38. Tobias

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    dbl you're so painfully dense it disturbs me on a personal level
     
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  39. TDCD

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    3 months?
     
  40. dblplay1212

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    At that point I'd probably want to see something showing they had reason to believe he'd been planning it that long. I just don't think being investigated for a crime means cops should have access to all of your personal data going back to birth.
     
  41. Tobias

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    luckily this guy is a tad older than 1 year old so this doesnt seem to be a worry
     
  42. Jack Parkman

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    yes the judge has asked for his personal data going back 37 years
     
  43. dblplay1212

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    Didn't say that. Just saying 12 months seems arbitrary if they don't have a reason to think he's been planning it that long.
     
  44. VaxRule

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    That’s the judge’s determination to make - not google’s. Google is only going to withhold information they have if turning it over creates some legal exposure for them. They don’t care about acting like your defense counsel.
     
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  45. dblplay1212

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    legal process, or enforceable governmental request
    Like other technology and communications companies, Google regularly receives requests from governments and courts around the world to disclose user data. Respect for the privacy and security of data you store with Google underpins our approach to complying with these legal requests. Our legal team reviews each and every request, regardless of type, and we frequently push back when a request appears to be overly broad or doesn’t follow the correct process. Learn more in our Transparency Report.
     
  46. (Z)

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    You’ve treated a warrant like a request for information. The comparison is completely off.
     
  47. Mix

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    I assume all the right wing small gov types are very much on Mr. Smolett's side here.
     
  48. dblplay1212

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    We're going in circles. Let's sit back and see if they hand it over today.
     
  49. VaxRule

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    Yes, they review each request to make sure it’s lawful before complying. If they didn’t do that, they’d get into legal trouble themselves.
     
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  50. Tobias

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    dbl is arguing with lawyers and google employees on this and is still dumb enough to think he is right
     
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