The Simmons interview I posted yesterday is hilarious in talking about how Vince would be scheduled to show up for an interview and then make them sit there for an entire day before showing up at 11 PM for his sit down. And then that when he would actually sit down to talk, he wouldn't know what to say because he probably doesn't even know who he is or what he wants to represent himself as, even though he was the one who apparently approached them about doing it.
Finished the doc and overall I think they did a good job with it. As someone who’s consumed a ton of WWE content most of the stuff wasn't new to me. A few cool nuggets throughout the piece. I don’t think I ever remember hearing that Vince was sexually abused by his mother before so that was news. Thought they dropped the ball in diving deeper into his first 12 years of life. Given what’s come out there is no doubt it’s impacted who he is. Best stuff in the doc was the Shane stuff. Very emotional stuff and basically laid out all the reasons for him leaving, returning and once again leaving. Telling Shane he needed to stab him in the heart to get the company… then seeing that someone within the company (Steph) may have been the one to do it… crazy stuff.
You can clearly see Vince struggle between being who he is and his character. It’s as if he can’t differentiate the two anymore. He even touches on this thing being an issue for the talent that works for him not fully understanding he’s no different.
I think there's a good chance Vince is somewhat senile by now too with the amount of chairshots to the head he took back in the day, not to mention the fact he'd only sleep like 2 hours a day. Ex writers always talk about him writing a Raw script, ripping it up later in the week, and then the re-write on Monday being almost exactly what he ripped up. It was less than 10 years ago he took a stiff headbutt from Kevin Owens on TV.
If you want the early childhood stuff, just listen to the Behind the Bastards 5 part series. They go in pretty deep.
I did not. Don’t really think they need to add anyone since they will likely be working with Swerve. Assume the first field will be with Cage of Agony.
Vince also said his step dad also beat the shit out of him too. Interesting to hear Hulk ratted out Jesse Ventura to Vince
But one of MVP’s goals of the original Hurt Business was to have a youngster in it to help elevate them. I would say chances are pretty high that’s what he wants to do again. And frankly, that’s what AEW’s goal should be too because how much mileage are you realistically going to get out of a Hurt Syndicate composed of two guys nearing 50 in Lashley and Shelton?
Swerve is a made man in AEW, making him the young guy in the Hurt Syndicate doesn’t make any damn sense.
Hobbs is the only fit on the roster (we all know what we mean, no need to tip toe around it). Unless they try to repackage Private Party more seriously, but that’s what they did in WWE with the Street Profits.
Through 2 eps of the Vince doc. It’s really more of a history of the WWF/E. I thought it would be much more about the scandal. I do wonder who this is made for. Non wrestling fans are probably bored by the detail they go into and wrestling fans know most of it already.
It’s not for the die hards. Very little info that isn’t already known. It’s just a weird doc. Keep in mind most of these interviews took place in 2021 and 2022 before the lawsuit dropped
I would say the hardcores who post about wrestling on the internet like us know this stuff but the casual viewer that attends a show or watches Raw occasionally on tv has no idea about any of this stuff.
Simmons said this doc wasn't meant for diehard wrestling fans who consume all of this stuff every day. He said the goal was to put it on Netflix and make something the masses would be interested in, and that he knew (he said this before it came out) that diehard wrestling fans would complain that they already know a lot of it. Whether this is interesting enough for the masses to want to watch all the way through is probably debatable, but he said that was the plan all along. And the biggest parts of the scandal stuff coming out in the middle after they had already done a lot of the interviews (and that Vince canceled doing his later interviews after the lawsuit) seemingly made it a cursed thing from the start. I guess they're lucky that the lawsuit happened in the middle of it instead of after it came out, though.
Hey man, if you can’t trust a 70 year old man with a dress shirt and tie with no sleeves, who can you trust? (I’m kidding Tony, please don’t kill me).
If true, surprised he did it because this is new for TK, but can’t say I blame him for doing it considering how they were negotiating contracts with WWE before they finished up with AEW. TK got to use him to start putting over talent now instead of just keeping him on the sidelines and wasting a year of Rey's time and the money.
Vince's word salad about why it was bad for wcw to take his talent but ok for him to take the talent from the old territories was funny.
so you think Adam Cole/Edge/Ricochet had never talked to AEW until the day their contract expired? this is the exact stuff people used to crucify WWE for
AEW also tacking on injury time to guys who want to leave is hilarious. Everyone in the business are cut from the same cloth no matter how hard they try to tell you they are different
But also I never said I liked it, just said I can’t blame him for doing it. TK was going to have to start fighting back with more than just empty words at some point, and unfortunately the talent are going to be the ones that suffer in this. Wrestling needs a union so stuff like this won’t happen.
It took me like 20 shots of Bruce in this doc to realize he has a framed picture of him in the Brother Love gimmick in his living room.
Took me to the last episode to notice Meltzers ripped jeans. Very cool look for a 65 year old man. I will say I never expected Vince to speak on Owen or Benoit publically (Snuka is the other one). I could see a sequel to this. I think he's heading for a federal trial unless he croaks. I don't like his chances of going 2-0 against the feds if they decide they want to get him.
Vince is terrible. The wwe and wrestling in general is so much better now that he's gone. I think he legitimately thinks a lot of the bullshit he says is true too
He definitely sees himself as the sympathetic baby face in life. But yeah, he's awful. But I can also see why so many of his former top stars have a difficult time saying anything bad about him since he was entirely responsible for their for their livelihood and was a father figure for them.
I feel like if you were one of Vinces guys, he generally took care of you. He also seemed to do some stuff in the dark and got crazier the older and more rich/powerful he got so I can believe some don't know the whole extent, and have trouble believing it based on what they saw. For example, Cornette isn't a huge Vince guy, and isn't one to mince words, but I know when this stuff first came out he had trouble believing it because it "wasn't the Vince he knew". And he seemed genuine talking about it, not like a pritchard who is a stooge and clearly has a pro Vince agenda
I remember how AEW wasn't going to treat it's talent like WWE did under Vince... Didn't take long for that to change. Add that to the list of broken promises they sold the fan base prior to even airing on tv.
The Bucks, Omega, Cody, Jericho and TK all promised to push for a wrestling union... How is that coming along?
This, the word salad about WCW stealing it's talent... I think Vince caught himself a few times bullshitting and still pushed through it. When he thought the director was asking if Vince had an affair with Sable in real life... his reaction was priceless. He clearly heard the question wrong and it lead to gold. Heyman cleared it up quickly for Vince. Heyman was probably the best voice on the doc... The Shane story, the recap of Vince only loving one thing in this world, not his wife, daughter or son... only the company.
Cornette said Bruce would purposely bury his head in the sand on stuff like that for deniability. If Vince had sent him a picture of a woman, he would throw his phone in the ocean and say a bird flew off with it. Talked about how once Prichards wife bitched him out in front of everyone for filming the Val Venis/Jenna Jameson vignettes at his house. interesting he’s still around, I figured he would be let go within minutes of Vince. Maybe everyone needs guys like that.