Alabama bans nearly all abortions - Riner gets obsessed with young boys

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  1. dblplay1212

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    If your first thought is of something the size of a poppy seed instead of doing any and everything you can to help your daughter in the moment and long term, you're a piss poor father. Fuck that poppy seed via a rapist. I'm doing what's right for my child, and forcing an 11 yr old girl to have a child bc she was raped simply isn't right. There's no other way to say it.
     
  2. dblplay1212

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    Show me where it's recommended for an 11 year old to have a fucking kid.

    I get that you like to make up hypothetical to argue against but you look like a fucking psycho right now. We're talking about an 11 year old girl that was raped.
     
  3. ButchCassidy

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    Yes, let an 11 year old go through school pregnant. Go to all her doctors appointments, deal with the sickness, deal with her classmates staring at her, let her miss even more schooling when she's about to go into labor.....
     
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  4. dblplay1212

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    God damn now I remember why I blocked that ignorant son of a bitch. He's not sure if he'd force his 11 year old daughter to have a kid if she was raped. :facepalm:
     
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  5. Eathan Edwards

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    I think you're missing my point slightly - the vasectomy anecdote was just because I literally just went to get a quote for it and found out that long-term birth control methods were more heavily covered for women than for men which just seemed like an odd thing to be able to get into law/bill - according to my doctor.

    My entire platform is that I'm anti people that have no desire to raise a kid - producing one.

    It just seems like more of a layup angle than arguing over when conception happens for decades given our current ability to prevent pregnancy - obviously it wouldn't be 100% preventative and there are unexpected outliers - but it just seems like a more rapid win.
     
  6. Duck2013

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    Lets just play this scenario out. Woman who has a 20 dollar an hour job gets raped, she gets pregnant. Law says that you cannot get an abortion. She now has to give birth to that child.

    So we are basically saying to her. You are forced to deal with the responsibilities that come with raising a kid. The biggest for her being the financial obligations. All the while the person who raped her has absolutely no obligation in this scenario. None. That’s really what we are talking about here.

    So yes, I would imagine in 9/10 cases like this the abortion would help in the process of allowing raped heal from the horrid event they were put through.
     
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  7. DistantFactor

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    Thanks for proving my point.
     
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  8. theriner69er

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    Tell me the GOOD solution here. I said before, there are only awful solutions. Stop acting like one answer is the perfect answer and the other is the most obviously terrible answer. Having an 11 year old get raped and impregnated by her uncle, then getting an abortion is a fucking miserable, awful thing, all of it, top to bottom. The parents are going to know, kids at school will b talking, she's going to have to go to years of therapy, and on and on and on.

    Your answer sucks. My answer sucks. They all suck because it's an incredibly fucked up situation.
     
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  9. theriner69er

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    consequences, how do they work?
     
  10. theriner69er

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    You are positive that an abortion is the best long term solution for her. I'm not. You are under the impression that the best course of action is to "block it out and move on". I'm 100% sure that's awful advice and will cause long term damage.

    I wouldn't FORCE anyone to do anything. It wouldn't be my decision.
     
  11. DistantFactor

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    Well to date there wasn't a legal consequence, so it worked fine.
     
  12. theriner69er

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    some would disagree. Some would say terminating a pregnancy as a form of birth control is a pretty shitty thing to do, and allows adults grown up enough to have sex to dodge consequences of their actions.

    But ok, well now it's not legal in Alabama. Modify your behavior accordingly. because consequences.
     
  13. ButchCassidy

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    You're right, there is no good answer, but now these states are deciding there IS a right answer. that's one of the issues, it needs to be up to the mother/families.
     
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  14. DistantFactor

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    Or maybe we stop having the religious right advocate for Sharia law like consequences and instead let people decide for themselves what's right and wrong.
     
  15. dblplay1212

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    Any option that involves and 11 year old having a child is the worst possible option.

    AN 11 YEAR OLD RAPE VICTIM
     
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  16. dblplay1212

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    You're a gross individual if you want to force an 11 year old rape victim to have a child bc YOU think it's best for them. Get fucked and die a slow miserable death you disgusting excuse for a human being.
     
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  17. AlternativeFactsRule

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    Taking the win on the "prevention of pregnancy" plan doesn't obviate the need to take a stance on abortion rights. The two are separate arguments.

    If you and your family are on a road trip and your kid says "I need to go to the bathroom," you can tell him "you should have thought about that before we left," and maybe you have a point. But that does nothing to change the fact that you are going to have to either pull the car over or wind up with a really big mess.
     
  18. theriner69er

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    again though, and this was brought up before, none of us chose to be created. None of us made that decision, our parents did. if (IF) that's a life inside an 11 year old's body, that's still a life. That life doesn't deserve any more or less protection than a life inside a 25 year old's body. That fetus didn't choose to be created that way, but, unfortunately, it was, and here we are.

    If that baby is carried to term and born, and after birth the mother/family decides, oh my god, this kid is going to know they were a product of rape, they are going to have to live with that, it's awful....we should kill the baby. Would that be acceptable?? States have decided that the family cannot make that decision, that no matter how the child was conceived, their life is still protected.
     
  19. AlternativeFactsRule

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    Riner is a die-hard libertarian. Obviously he couldn't agree with this.
     
  20. Daniel Ocean

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    He is wrong there is a right answer if the question is what should an 11 year old who is pregnant because incest/rape. The answer to that question is she should be allowed to get an abortion and not have to worry about going to jail. All the other shit is filler to try an muddy the question and answer.

    Everyone agrees (I hope) no one should ever be raped. That’s not part of this. The question is what options should a woman have if she is raped and the answer is the ability to do what she feels is best. At 11 a child shouldn’t have to make that decision.
     
  21. Blu Tang Clan

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    Having an 11-year old rape victim be forced to have a child that resulted from the rape is compounding a horrible situation to an exponential degree. That’s insane to me.
     
  22. theriner69er

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    oh....ok. who are you talking to? Because I said I wouldn't force anything. Why aren't you a gross individual if you force an 11 year old rape victim to have an abortion and block it out and move on because YOU think it's best for her?

    I will not "get fucked". I don't want to get pregnant.
     
  23. dblplay1212

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    Stop with all of the fucking IF's. An 11 year old shouldn't be forced to have a child. Period. End of discussion. There's no "if" that changes that.
     
  24. dblplay1212

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    I would only force her if it was my child. Outside of that I think each family should be able to make their own decision. I don't think the state should be in the business of making those decisions for a family.
     
  25. theriner69er

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    good =/= right. Your "right" answer is awful and traumatic and will have consequences that last that girls entire life. your answer sucks. It's a really shitty answer. But, it may still be the right answer.
     
  26. theriner69er

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    The "IF" is intended to force you....get it, force you....to deal with the issue as if it were a human life that was being terminated. Because that's how many people see abortion, as the termination of a human life. If it's a newborn baby, born to an 11 year old girl who was raped by her uncle, I don't think you'd be ok with the mother/family killing that baby. Right?
     
  27. theriner69er

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    I agree, but in the case of protection of human life, that's not an individual decision. Every life should be protected.
     
  28. dblplay1212

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    I don't give a fuck how those people see it. That can play a factor if they are making the decision. If it's my kid that was raped, I don't give a flying fuck that some Bible thumper thinks it's a life. Fuck them. I'll make the decision that's best for my family. They can project their beliefs elsewhere.

    I'm done going back and forth with you bc I know you'll just keep coming back with "Yea but IF." Fuck your never ending ifs.
     
  29. SP1

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    Sometimes I'm reminded that there are people on this site that have no concept of how much $50/month is to a family barely getting by as it is. I'm not talking about families that waste money...i'm talking about the vast majority of the very poor, who don't waste money and who make decisions every day between food & gas money.
     
  30. theriner69er

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    The inability to consider an issue from anyone's perspective but your own is a sign of maturity and intelligence.

    why don't you answer my question? If the baby is actually born, should the family and mother be allowed to make the decision to terminate that life? Because that's a better answer than forcing an 11 year old to raise an incest rape baby, right?
     
  31. Muddy Badger

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    this is the dumbest take I've ever seen on this site
     
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    But the reality is they don't actually care about human life since they typically support the death penalty, war on terrorism regardless of civilian consequences, gun rights over children rights to be alive via school shootings, humanitarian crisises (see children in cages), or ensuring those kids they want to be force these mothers carry to term have a reasonable quality of life.

    They are literally fine with state sponsored murder and a gun culture killing children in schools, so please spare me the thought that they care about humans being murdered.
     
  33. theriner69er

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    Again, there are, in fact, other options. does anyone not titty fuck anymore?????
     
  34. Daniel Ocean

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    Get fucked with this moral relativism bullshit. There is a right answer and it’s not forcing a child to have a kid conceived through incest/rape.
     
  35. Eathan Edwards

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    Agreed, but I wasn’t saying people shouldn’t/can’t have a stand on that - just saying that there is a seemingly immediately executable improvement of the negative impact on lives and society in general. Doesn’t mean people can’t continue the abortion debate - I just don’t see anyone other than crazy people trying to shut down birth prevention specifically so it seems like an easier initial item.
     
  36. dblplay1212

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    What in the blue fuck are you talking about? Are you really comparing a baby that is born to a god damn poppy seed at 6 weeks in the womb? You can't be this fucking ignorant. You just can't.
     
  37. theriner69er

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    ok....well attack the issue, not the people supporting the issue. If politicians are required to not be hypocrites before they pass legislation we are never going to pass anything. I don't vote for republicans, they are the worst.

    Now, on the issue....Would you be ok with the mother/family terminating the life of a newborn because it would be better than forcing an 11 year old to raise an incest rape baby?
     
  38. theriner69er

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    I'm asking you if you'd be ok with that. I don't need a novel. A simple yes or no is all I want.
     
  39. dblplay1212

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    Ok, you are this dumb.
     
  40. dblplay1212

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    :facepalm:
     
  41. theriner69er

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    ok? You think it's the right answer, and i respect that, and probably agree actually. But it's insane to think that's a good answer. It's not.
     
  42. DistantFactor

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    Why are we assuming we have to wait until birth and not 25 weeks in?

    The VAST majority of late term abortions happen because of health issues, either baby or mother related. There is almost never an abortion in the third term because of a change of heart.

    To this strawman though, in the event of an actual birth and viably healthy baby I'd say no and that the state should be responsible for medical costs and adoption costs for some other family to take care of it since an 11 year old isn't capable.
     
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  43. dblplay1212

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    He's comparing an abortion at 6 weeks to killing a baby after it's born. He's that weird.
     
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  45. theriner69er

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    The reason I ask is because some people see a 25 week abortion as the same as the termination of a delivered baby. if you can at least understand that some people see it that way, it helps, I think, to see why they'd be against an abortion, no matter how the child was conceived, in the same way you'd be against terminating the life of any baby after birth, no matter how it was conceived.
     
  46. dblplay1212

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    You realize the "heartbeat law" kicks in way before 25 weeks, right?
     
  47. theriner69er

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    you realize he used the specific example of terminating the pregnancy at 25 weeks, and that's why I used that number, right? Try to keep up.
     
  48. AptosDuck

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    This article and the study it refers to say that free contraception lowered abortion rates in some countries by 2/3. Education, contraception, destigmatizing normal reproductive impulses and their natural consequences, that shit works

    https://www.nbcnews.com/health/heal...n-when-countries-make-it-legal-report-n858476
     
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  49. Tobias

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    riner you're not even 5% as smart as you think you are. you type these missives that you think are clever or thought-provoking or (for some insane reason) humorous when really you just prove over and over how brain-dead and shitty you are. congrats
     
  50. dblplay1212

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    No, he asked why are you assuming someone waited until 25 weeks.
     
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