the unbiased opinion is that Ken Pomeroy has FSU ranked 14th so, with the AP ranking FSU 17th, the shafting is pretty small
Tough to say. I think last night exposed a little of our offensive inflexibility. Plenty of fans have been saying for a while "We're going to open the offense more this year" but I think two things are preventing that. The first is that we're constantly lacking in a guy who can create his own offense off the dribble or, equally as lacking on this team, get fouled. Even our dribble drives are typically generated from defensive mistakes. The second is that we're a great DReb team but not a great OReb team. That's by design. We'll rarely send more than one guy to the offensive boards and almost never more than two. The rest of the players get back to play transition defense as soon as the ball is in the air. If "bringing more tempo to the offense" means forcing ourselves to the hoop, we're not going to be able to count on clean up points on our misses. That's part of why our offense ends up so slow, we can't settle for bad shots because we're not going to be able to get the second chance points that a team like UNC does.
How do the tiebreakers work for the top 4 seeds? ND split with FSU. Potentially split with Lou. Should finish with 12 league wins. If we tie with either or both for that 4th spot, how do things fall?
Spoiler The following are the tiebreakers procedures. (1) When two teams are tied in the standings, regular season head-to-head results are used as the tiebreaker. (2) If the tied teams played each other twice in the regular season and split their games, then each team's record vs. the team occupying the highest position in the final regular season standings (or in case of a tie for first place, the next highest position in the regular season standings) and then continuing down through the standings until one team gains an advantage. a. When arriving at another pair of tied teams while comparing records, use each team's record against the collective tied teams as a group (prior to their own tie-breaking procedures), rather than the performance against the individual tied teams. b. When comparing records against a single team or a group of teams, the higher winning percentage shall prevail, even if the number of games played against a team or group is unequal. (i.e., 2-0 is better than 3-1; 1-0 is the same as 2-0; 2-0 is the same as 4-0; 2-1 is the same as 4-2; 1-0 is better than 1-1; 0-1 is the same as 0-2; 0-2 is the same as 0-4). If the winning percentage of the tied teams is equal against a team, or a group of tied teams, continue down through the standings until one team gains an advantage. (3) If three or more teams are tied in the standings, the following procedures will be used: a. The combined record of conference games between the tied teams involved will be compiled. Ties will be broken, and seedings assigned, based on the winning percentage of the combined conference records. The higher winning percentage shall prevail, even if the number of games played against the team or group is unequal (i.e., 2-0 is better than 3-1; 1-0 is the same as 2-0; 2-0 is the same as 4-0; 2-1 is the same as 4-2; 1-0 is better than 1-1; 0-1 is the same as 0-2; 0-2 is the same as 0-4). b. If procedure (a) fails to break the tie, then each tied team's record shall be compared to the team occupying the highest position in the final regular-season standings, continuing down through the standings until one team gains an advantage by a higher winning percentage. c. If the tie is broken by (a) or (b) regarding one or more teams, but three or more teams remain tied, then procedures (a) and (b) will be reapplied among those tied teams only. d. If two teams remain tied, procedures (1) and (2) will be followed. (4) If there is more than one tie in the standings, and when utilizing the tie-breaking procedures there are a pair of teams tied, a team's record against the combined tied teams (prior to their own tie-breaking procedures) is used, rather than performance against the individual tied teams. (5) If procedures (2) and/or (3) fail to establish an advantage, a coin flip to break the tie will be conducted by the commissioner after the final regular season game before the Conference Championship. TL:DR ... it would be record against the winner of the league first (so if you beat UNC, probably)... then on down the standings.
Potential Gottfried replacements: Paper bag with $40,000 in cash Talking can of soup from Wet Hot American Summer Debbie Yow Ghost of Harambe Collection of Beanie Babies in your childhood room Tom Crean KenPom (Not Ken Pomeroy, just the algorithm) H.B. 2 Jon Gruden
not surprising but congrats anyways #North Carolina State Wolfpack i would be lying if i said i wasn't sad to see him go
you definitely shouldn't hire seth greenberg or bruce pearl, state. that would be scary please don't hire them
I haven't even looked in our 10 page thread on packpride because I just know some fuck tard has already asked about calling Art Briles.
Archie seems to be waiting on the Ohio St job so that's out. Chris Mack, Mick Cronin, and Greg Marshall will presumably issue very public no thanks statements in the next hour or 2. Jay Wright and Sean Miller threads will undoubtedly pop up on PackPride shortly after the "Herb?" question is asked, and in 8-10 weeks we'll announce Larry Brown is coming to Raleigh to continue our special tradition of basketball in the ACC.
Whomever first thought of the phrase "stupid contest" was most likely reading a Wolfpack coaching search thread.
Cant wait for this to extend another 45 days. Shit, he wasn't even officially fired yet and we had already made a fool of ourselves.
The best four weeks in basketball is the conference tournaments and the NCAA tournament. The second best four weeks is an NC State coaching search.
Who should NC State hire to replace Gottfried? Spoiler Insider With Gottfried out, which coaches should NC State pursue? Dayton coach Archie Miller has been to three consecutive NCAA tournaments. M. Anthony Nesmith/Icon Sportswire It wasn't all that long ago that NC State fans and athletic director Debbie Yow were ecstatic with Mark Gottfried. He went to the NCAA tourney in each of his first four seasons and made it to the sweet 16 twice (2012 and 2015). But the past two years have been a train wreck in Raleigh. The Wolfpack were 16-17 last season, but it was followed with high hopes as freshman Dennis Smith Jr., a projected NBA lottery pick, would soon make his debut. Instead, the results -- and at times the effort -- has been embarrassing. Gottfried is gone, and now Yow will begin another search. The last one didn't fare well, and neither did the one before that, when alum and former NBA coach Sidney Lowe was hired and didn't go dancing in five seasons. It's highly unlikely the Wolfpack turn to the NBA again and also highly unlikely that Cincinnati coach Mick Cronin makes the move, per sources. So we didn't include him in our breakdown of where Yow should look next. Job description NC State's coach needs to be able to deal with a passionate, sometimes highly irrational fan base that yearns for the days of Jim Valvano when the Wolfpack were national championship contenders. The coach will also need to be able to deal with going up against guys like Mike Krzyzewski, Roy Williams, Rick Pitino and Jim Boeheim. There's another element for anyone who takes this gig to consider, and It concerns the athletic director. The coaching fraternity talks, and it's no secret that NC State athletic director Debbie Yow and former Maryland coach Gary Williams butted heads during their days together in College Park. That will likely scare some off, and Yow will be retiring in two years -- so there's also the added uncertainty of who will be the next AD. Take a swing at Archie Miller, Dayton He's an alum and so is his wife. Even if this weren't the case, he's the one to go after, and we're told that's what will happen. We've also been informed, however, it's highly unlikely that Miller returns home largely because of some of the factors discussed above. Unlikely, but worth a call Gregg Marshall, Wichita State Marshall said no the last time this job opened up, but it's worth revisiting if you're Yow. Some of the luster has worn off this season (the Shockers are tied atop the Missouri Valley), but Marshall still may feel as though it's not a significant enough jump from both a salary standpoint and a program standpoint. Realistic Will Wade, VCU Wade would bring energy to the program. He's done a terrific job since taking over for Shaka Smart and is on track to take the Rams to the NCAA tourney in each of his first two seasons. He can recruit, he plays an exciting style, and he has a fiery personality that would play well in Raleigh. But the question becomes whether this is the job that Wade leaves Richmond for or whether he'd rather see if he can get something he feels is better. Georgia or Clemson (his alma mater) could have openings. Tom Crean, Indiana This obviously depends on whether the Hoosiers make a move on Crean, who will likely miss going to the NCAA tourney for the second time in four seasons. Crean is Gottfried's polar opposite, and he is considered a strong X's and O's guy. Chris Holtmann, Butler He's done a tremendous job at Butler since taking over for Brandon Miller, and he's familiar with the state of North Carolina after being the head coach at Gardner-Webb from 2010-2013. He's headed to his third consecutive NCAA tourney appearance, but it's probably a long shot that he accepts an NC State offer. Ben Howland, Mississippi State This is Year 2 in Starkville, and it's not exactly going as planned (28-28 overall). Howland went to three consecutive Final Fours at UCLA and is considered a heck of a coach. He's also recruited well at Mississippi State. There's an Adidas connection here, and Howland and Gottfried also have the same agent. Backups Kevin Keatts, UNC Wilmington The former prep school head coach and Rick Pitino assistant has turned things around quickly at UNC Wilmington. There was an NCAA appearance last year, his second season leading the program, and the Seahawks are atop the CAA again this year. Matt McCall, Chattanooga The former Billy Donovan assistant took the Mocs to the NCAA tournament last season, and while Chattanooga sits in at tie for third place in the SoCon right now, all that really matters is if McCall can win the league tourney again and get back to the Big Dance. LeVelle Moton, North Carolina Central It would be difficult for Yow not to notice what Moton has done because it has happened right down the road in Raleigh. He went to the NCAA tourney in 2014, won the regular-season title again in 2015 and currently has the Eagles in first place in the MEAC. Joe Dooley, Florida Gulf Coast He nearly left his head gig at FGCU to join Mark Gottfried's staff as an assistant last offseason. Dooley is a former Bill Self assistant who took FGCU to the NCAA tourney last year and could go again if he wins the Atlantic Sun tourney again. (The Eagles are tied for first place.) Pat Kelsey, Winthrop He would probably need to get to the NCAA tourney this year to be in the equation (the Eagles are currently in third place), but Kelsey won the Big South regular-season title last year Recommendation Give it the old college try with Miller and Marshall, and then make it nearly impossible for Wade to turn it down. He fits in just about every way. Prediction This isn't easy. We think Yow ends up with a proven coach like Howland or Crean. It's a step up for Howland, and Crean may have no choice.
Same people that thought the head coach at Kentucky would be an option for Minnesota. If I were NC State, make Archie tell you no, then when he does, go after Keatts. But what kind of coach can you attract when you have an AD that is retiring within the next couple of years, and the job has a reputation for having unrealistic expectations placed upon it?
As a betting man I'm putting my money on Keatts In the interests of the ACC I want it to be Archie. But the real me wants it to be Crean. I need Tom Crean at NC State. ACC Media needs Tom Crean at NC State. Twitter needs Tom Crean at NC State. We need it like we need oxygen.
And I said it in our thread, but that was the worst broadcast of a half of basketball I ever watched. They weren't even talking about the game for the first 10 minutes of the game when it was actually close. Had Gottfried in the double box for minutes at a time. Etc.