And the new Batman is...

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  1. Xander Crews

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    I could be wrong but I seem to recall that Nolan kept the Joker alive because he wanted him to have a relationship with Batman in the 3rd film

    would have been cool to have Ledger play a Hannibal Lecter type figure for Batman.
     
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  2. Aussie

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    Nolan was supposedly going to have the Joker come back in his third film but that obviously couldn't happen. I think it would have been much better than what we ultimately ended up with.
     
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  3. Jack Parkman

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    I don’t believe it was supposed to be a big part though, pretty much a cameo IIRC
     
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  4. Aussie

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    That may be true. I really don't know. I do know Dark Knight Rises is the most disappointed I've ever been leaving a theater.
     
  5. theregionsitter

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    Was a weird movie in retrospect but I enjoyed it while watching
     
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  6. Bruce Wayne

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    Nolan didn't even want to make a 3rd movie, and is on record saying he had no plans to include Joker in it.

    But David Goyer, on the other hand, had an original draft after Batman Begins where Joker would be the main villain in the 2nd movie, then the 3rd would focus on Harvey Dent prosecuting him. Joker would then throw the acid in Dent's face, and it goes from there
     
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  7. Aussie

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    Definitely better than Tom Hardy as Bane.
     
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  8. Pelican Grove

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    Really? I thought it was pretty great considering some of the awful trilogy-ending films out there.
     
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  9. Aussie

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    I just thought it was too outlandish. We went from a very grounded crime film with Dark Knight to a group of mercenaries holding a city hostage for months. And I thought Tom Hardy was really bad as Bane.
     
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    I honestly wonder if it would have been the court scene they ended up having Scarecrow did?
     
  11. Pelican Grove

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    There were some really great “moments” throughout the film, but the overall story wasn’t that remarkable.

    I feel the same way about the holding Gotham hostage. Just didn’t fit the mold of the first two films that were going for the realistic approach.
     
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  12. Jack Parkman

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    thought that too when I saw the movie, but idk if I read it somewhere or what but I thought the cameo would have been when Bane freed the prisoners

    could just have been a fan theory
     
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    I love TDKR, but it is a very flawed movie.
     
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    DKR is a mess
     
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    now that I read in here that Nolan didn’t even want to make it it begins to make more sense as to why it was such a mess
     
  16. Wu

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    It’s like Nolan didn’t know how to end it and said “fuck it, nuke”
     
  17. Celemo

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    One day, someone will get it right and make the following Batman Movies;

    Batman: Year One
    The Long Halloween
    Dark Victory


    The Dark Knight Returns
    The Dark Knight Strikes Again
     
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  18. Emma

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    DKR was dogshit
     
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  19. Wu

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    TDKR is a solid animated movie and they’re making TLH animated (also the new movie is influenced by TLH)

    unless you mean live action
     
  20. Aussie

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    Right? The shit is laid out for them. Just do it.

    Also, since they are bringing Keaton back as Bruce I want a Batman Beyond.
     
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    I also wouldn't mind a Kingdom Come movie but that ain't ever gonna fucking happen
     
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    Gimme this.....JLA Tower of Babel

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  23. BP

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    yeah, Think he was supposed to cameo in Scarecrow's role as a judge sentencing Gordon.
    It had a lot of problems but wouldn't call it that. It also had to follow TDK.
     
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    They also did a Year One animated movie. It was ok
     
  25. IV

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    Honestly they shouldn’t have made TDKR
     
  26. Aussie

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    Batman Begins was more or less a year one movie. Obviously some changes but it took a lot from that story.
     
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    Side bar, you guys ever seen the theory that Seven takes place in Gotham? I don't think Fincher actually had that in mind but it never says in the film what city it takes place in and it does have a lot in common with Gotham. Kind of makes Seven an interesting rewatch with this in mind.
     
  28. Xander Crews

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    No more origin movies unless they’re telling a brand new story please.

    I hope to never see Krypton explode or the Waynes and Uncle Ben gunned down, in a movie again.
     
  29. Beeds07

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    The perfect second JLA movie if they hadn't made BvS.
     
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  30. Tex

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    JL Doom was pretty close to this.
     
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  31. TrustyPatches

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    I liked TDKR smd

    I also liked BB more than TDK so I’m probably a silly boy
     
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  32. Xander Crews

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    BB had a better 3rd act than TDK but the first 2 hours of TDK are incredible
     
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    I mean, it’s close between the two and at one point I’d have said TDK but as time goes on I just find I enjoy the way they handled the origin and the way they fit Batman into a grounded reality to be really interesting. Also the third act of TDK for me just knocks it below BB in general.

    I didn’t initially like TDKR but I’ve come to like it after rewatches. It’s still rungs below the other two though and probably my least favorite Nolan film
     
  34. IV

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    Eh to me the Dark Knight is a cinematic masterpiece about two extremely interesting characters, not sure any comic book movie on its own that compares

    most movies can’t compare
     
  35. Xander Crews

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    I kind of agree. But I feel like Bruce/Batman was too much of a reactive character in TDK.

    He had much more depth in BB and even TDKR.
     
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  36. Jake Barnes

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    The Dark Knight is the only superhero movie I’ve seen to this point that transcended the genre.
     
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    I feel the same way (wrt them being exceptional films and the gold standard for CB movies) about both movies. BB is just consistently good throughout while TDK kinda loses its way twords the end. Just MO though and people rarely ever agree with me
     
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  38. IV

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    agreed Marvel consistently creates A+ comic book movies but they haven’t transcended
     
  39. Xander Crews

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    I think the only one that comes close is the Winter Soldier. Def feels more like a 70s/80s conspiracy thriller than a traditional comic book movie but nowhere close to what TDK did
     
  40. Jake Barnes

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    Exactly.

    Great art illustrates central truths or conflicts of the human condition; TDK isn’t really about Batman vs. Joker; it’s about the roles of chaos and order in society; specifically the cost of order and the temptation to chaos. The characters symbolize pure versions of each and are magnified by the duality of Two-Face.

    If the new Batman gets close to that, I’ll be pleased as punch.
     
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    The Winter Soldier is a movie that felt like a spy thriller that happened to have superheroes, but its not on the same level.
     
  42. Jake Barnes

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    Excellent comparison. If anything, that movie is more relevant today than it was back then.
     
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  44. IV

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    Side note, you wanna see a reactive character go rewatch Goldfinger, holy shit they made Bond a bumbler in that movie

    FRWL for life
     
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    I would say Winter Soldier is the closest they have came as it's basically an espionage film but still leagues behind TDK.

    Also, I don't hate TDKR. It was just a major disappointment. The bar was set impossibly high and I just don't think it fits that well in the trilogy from a believability standpoint.
     
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  46. Xander Crews

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    My dads least favorite Bond movie for that reason.
     
  47. IV

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    Also I miss messing with audrew about Iron Man vs. Batman, simpler times
     
  48. BP

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    The pencil scene is still :banderas:
     
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