Anyone on TMB a good poker player?

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  1. NDfanPSUgrad

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    Got into an argument with the dealer and cost me a $300 pot. First she almost flips my ace off the table. Have AK suite. Flop is J105. Prefop was $20 with 5 calllers. Guy bets $50 on the flop and kid bets $69 when he has $1 behind. Doesn’t call all in but she honored it. I said it should be a $50 because it’s not a valid raise. Some douchbag says donate a dollar and you’re all in. Wtf. I am calling $50 but didn’t want to call $69. Ace on the turn would have won it for me.

    Just seemed like a bad omen so I folded. Wanted to call the floor just to prove a point. Should’ne let the table influence the action.
     
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  2. dblplay1212

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    I'm same on 1 and 9 (we play 9 handed here). 3 and 7 are acceptable. If I get the 2, 5, or 7, I'll normally ask to move when 1 or 9 leaves.
     
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  3. Joe Louis

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    did you have a flush draw? Dont think I would call the $50 either if not ...
     
  4. NDfanPSUgrad

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    This table is full of terrible players.
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  5. Joe Louis

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    Get outta there man!!
     
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  6. NDfanPSUgrad

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    Don't Hate Me Bro!
    I don’t know what you say about tight play. This table is nuts. 1/3 but people are calling $20 preflop with awful hands. Probably 4 of the last 10 hands had 6 callers at $20 preflop. Big pots.

    I’m not leaving yet. Overstated a little but at $1100 now.
     
  7. NDfanPSUgrad

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    Why am I still here. Cashed out $1315
     
  8. tigr2ndbase

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    Just stopping in to say I hate that I love this game. Dropped down to 1/2 to ride out the losing streak. Got back in the positive but took some losses today. Rolling good then double someone up as the hit a one out set on the river to beat my set. Reload. Later turn the nut flush against a guys set..he goes all in and hits a boat on the river. Have a couple hundred left, flop a straight with AQ..guy goes all in with a set of KK and turns a boat. With the way this year has gone I’m lucky to be hanging around even.
     
  9. NDfanPSUgrad

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    Anyone play at Firekeepers in Michigan. Played once before but you can find me there next Wednesday night.
     
  10. Schadenfred

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    Played there a few times about five years ago. Thought it was a really boring room with little action and without much selection. Depending on where I'm coming from, I'd rather play in a local charity game despite the expensive rake.
     
  11. NDfanPSUgrad

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    I may just stay over near Detroit and play the MGM there. Looks like a better option.
     
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  12. Schadenfred

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    Probably a good idea. Right now, which could be a good indication for next Wednesday, all FireKeepers has is 4 games of 1/2. MGM and MotorCity are each running about 8 of 1/2, as well as 2/5 NL and PLO.

    What I also remember of FireKeepers was that it was all regs. Tight regs. They all knew each other. I guess they bumped up the max to $400 since I was there, though. It really sucked that there was only 1/2 when I visited, especially since the max was a laughable $200. Complete waste of time.
     
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  13. NDfanPSUgrad

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    I looked at the same thing before I posted that. I’m driving from Kalamazoo and thought it would be a good halfway point to stop at Firekeepers on my way to Detroit. Probably will just get to Detroit. MotorCity looked like it had some good $500 high hand promotion that day every half hour.
     
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  14. Joe Louis

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    Motor City also has a great snack bar. Hot n Readys on demand :yousoright:
     
  15. NDfanPSUgrad

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    You gotta be local. Tell me more about the local poker rooms.
     
  16. Joe Louis

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    I've really only played at MCC consistently. It's a nice room and always full, but I believe they cap the 1/2 buy in at $200 also. MGM is the only place that let's you get up to $300. Would avoid Greektown, though it's in the best area for nightlife of the three ...
     
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  17. JGator1

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    Played 1/2 NL live at the Tampa Hard Rock for the first time in forever, ended up 84. Hit two sets and got paid on both. Simple game.
     
  18. tigr2ndbase

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    When were you there? I played for a few yesterday afternoon. Down 250 in 1/2 then moved to 2/5 and got most of it back. Down about 20 on the session.
     
  19. NDfanPSUgrad

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    I’ll be in the Orlando in 2 weeks. Looking to play 3/13 - 3/15 somewhere.
     
  20. tigr2ndbase

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    Let me know what day and time you’ll be able to play. I can probably work my schedule out to play in Tampa or at orange city with you. Those will be your closest and best games. Hard rock will def have the most tables/action.
     
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  21. JGator1

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    Played from about 10 pm to 1:30 am. I liked the new poker room but felt like the tables were really long, had trouble reading the suit on the river a few times.
     
  22. tigr2ndbase

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    Yeah. I had an issue where I thought a guy bet $110 on the river but instead he bet $15 so I folded. It was a $200 pot and my QQ would have been good. We were on opposite sides of the table. Wish I could get a night session in one day but I mostly play in the afternoons after work.
     
  23. CF3234

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    Not poker, but the other night at the blackjack table, the player to my right told the Pitt boss she looked like Mia Khalifa. She just looked at him and said I don’t know who that is, but the entire table and dealer were staring at the guy.

    She didn’t even look like her. Just wore the same glasses and had similar hair/skin tone.
     
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  24. dblplay1212

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    Wife is out of town. Seems like a good day to spend at the poker room.
     
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  25. Man o' War

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    MCC will have the most games running. 1/2 is super nitty. It's painful to play. They always have multiple 2/5 tables and the action can be good, but there are some solid regs in that game too. The must move table is usually fun. Once you get to the main game(s), it's hit or miss.

    MGM generally has the best action of the 3 casinos, but they don't always have a 2/5 running.

    Greektown is hit or miss and always has the fewest amount of games. Greektown has the best high hand promo though.

    For the best action, the charity games blow the casinos away. I rarely drive downtown anymore. The charity games are 1/2 but play more like a 2/5 with all the straddling and degenerate gamblers who don't want to go downtown. Good times.
     
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  26. dblplay1212

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    All ATM's are down at the poker room. Sign I shouldn't be playing today or na?
     
  27. dblplay1212

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    Picked up 44 on the button on 2/5 with about $425 in front of me. $30 bet, one call prior to me, I call. Flop is KcQs4d. Check, $40 bet, I call, call behind me. Turn is Qh. This time the guy leads out for all in $120, guy behind him shoves for $240 iirc. I'm sitting with 444qq with two all ins in front of me. I tanked for a second bc I knew I was fucked but I had to call. First guy shows KQ for a bigger boat, second guy mucks. Ended up breaking even on the hand with about $450 but I could have been $1200ish if not for the second Q. Oh well, that's poker.
     
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  28. Schadenfred

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  29. Joe Louis

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    In for $500, out for $1025 in my most recent 2/5 session. Highlight was a 4 way straddle hand for $40 bucks a peice. I call in second position with Jh9h. Hit top pair on the flop. Check, I bet $50, fold, call, fold Next card pairs the board with a 5h, giving me a flush draw too. I check, guy bets 75. I call. Hit my flush on the river. Still concerned about the possibility of a set (maybe he called the $40 straddle with a small pocket pair?). I check, guy starts moving some chips around, bets $250. I go in to the tank. J high flush, but the paired board in a hand that started 4 ways has me concerned. I do not think envisioning hand ranges is really a strong suit of man. I was able to rule out a higher flush (holding the Jh, obv no AJ, KJ, QJ of the same suit, and the flush draw came late). $250 would leave any $200 in my stack. Really it just seemed to come down to did he have the boat or not? I sorta had this guy pegged as a not so great player. He had played another hand to the river, calling off abt $150 or so with just top pair and a very messy board. I made the call, he turns over 10s :yousoright:

    Scary thing is though, what if the flush did not come. Would I call off that bet top pair bad kicker? I think that woulda been tough, as my read was initially a much bigger hand. Has me thinking about a lot of the top pairs I've put down lately in heads up play to guys showing strength all the way to the river. I think my play has come a long way in the last few years, but there's still another jump in terms of reads and just breaking down my opponents range more distinctly. Hoping that just comes with experience I guess ...
     
  30. Joe Louis

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    Solid end to the weekend. I lost about $150 in 2/5 but decided to get up and come back to 1/2 while the Michigan game was on, in for $200 out for $500. Nothing real notable, just caught a few more hands in the second session ...

    Nice lil profit of $650 with drinks/meals. $150 I'll say towards lodging and gas. I'd be very happy to keep that sort of performance on repeat going forward ...

    Minor tweak towards my game selection, the 2/5 Sunday tables were almost 100% regulars. Starting to recognize the crowd, and I'm sure they recognize me. Thinking I'll keep the 2/5 action to Saturday nights when the regular crowd gets diluted, play 1/2 Sundays with house money hopefully ...
     
  31. Schadenfred

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    I doubt anything else has lost me more money than assuming that my opponents are (much) better than they are. It helps to understand that most poker players are not there to win.
     
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  32. Jake Barnes

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    BA4C8BB4-A18D-4906-9612-F27375FB5ED3.jpeg Decent night. $1/2 game where I bought in for $340. Reds are $5
     
  33. HuskerGuy99

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    Eviscerated playing $1/3 this weekend. -$1000 running pretty bad. Aces cracked by a flopped set. Pocket jacks in a perfect button squeeze spot for ~100BBs taken out by QQ after the guy who raised and got 3 calls agonized for a minute over a standard call when I jammed it all-in. Couple of sketchy spots I could have saved around 100BBs against an aggro opponent. The real gem came after I was already down about a grand and had worked my stack back up to about $900.

    Look down at J10 diamonds in position, ~$300 effective stacks, $20 preflop raise called 4-ways. Flop comes 10 9 8 with 2 diamonds. Opponent leads for $70 into an $80 pot. Two folds, I call and it's heads up. Turn is an offsuit 7. I have the straight and opponent has about $200 left. He bets $85. I jam and he calls. He asks if I have the straight. As he asks this the river comes 10. He says "Oh, I have a boat," and flips over 10 8. So right as we're about to get out of a hole, we end up losing a $600+ pot to a 3-outer. This session about matches my worst single-session loss in a $1/3 game. Wasn't as absurd as the last one, which occurred over the span of about 3 hours, but it still sucks when you're so close to breaking through and get gutted like that near the end.
     
  34. Schadenfred

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    Sorry about all the suck, especially when gutted after battling back. Though the outcome doesn't change, you have to jam that flop. You have $280 looking at a $70 call into a $170 pot. Just calling leaves you with $210 and a $240 pot (i.e., an ugly 1-to-1 stack-to-pot ratio) while hating most turns when your hand needs to see two cards. Though you don't have much fold equity because the opponent almost always has at least an over-pair, shipping it at least maximizes whatever fold equity you do have. It just sucks that you ran into the worst hand, but the guy has more combos of JJ/QQ/KK/AA than flopped sets in his range and will call off your raise all the same.

    To put it another way, if villain instead had QQ/KK/AA and a 7 was the turn after your call, how are you getting paid?
     
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  35. HuskerGuy99

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    Don't disagree with your analysis, but in my mind I had a hammerlock on the hand on the flop with just top pair. Particular opponent was a bit spazzy 9x raising preflop extremely often and double-barrelling at an extremely high frequency. In these spots I always let these types of players bomb away. This was just one of the few hands where he actually hit something and also why it was so painful. It was an exploitative play against a particular opponent. The fact that he continued to bomb with the 4-liner to a straight should illustrate this.

    On a side note, there were at least 3 of these types of players at the table that night. Another part of running bad is not being able to get into enough hands with opponents like this. Was frustrating watching other players stack these guys throughout the night on ridiculous hands.
     
  36. Schadenfred

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    What range of villain's hands on an T98 flop do you think you dominate once he leads big? Again, it's a pretty small range of hands that are folding to your all-in.
     
  37. HuskerGuy99

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    Villain literally has any two cards in my mind. Again, I had a hammerlock on the flop. I was literally on cloud nine happy with the action. One thing I will disagree with in your post is that I am certainly not fretting over most turn cards. Even against a flopped set, it's nearly a flip. I certainly did not give him credit for anything that strong.

    It was a scary flop for the cards you are trying to rep for him. I do not put him on any of those hands. Maybe tighter, better players, yes. And that is where I agree with your analysis. Against those types of players, it's always a jam for me. Against this player, I think a jam lets him off the hook as he was double-barrelling at a high frequency.
     
  38. Schadenfred

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    If villain can have any two cards, does that mean you deny him AA/KK/QQ/KT/AT? I think you're mistaking what I meant about fretting over turn cards. Instead, the primary concern is the turn cards that kill your action when you believe you have a hammerlock on the flop, which is not something I'd tend to assume given that action and that extremely wet flop.

    At the very least, I'm clicking it back. If he's as spazzy as you say, he's never, ever folding to a min-raise. That's why I asked for you to provide a range for him.
     
  39. Jake Barnes

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    Gross spot last night in $1/2.

    Dealt AKo OTB. Three limpers to me, I raise to $15, two calls. Flop is JK8, two hearts. UTG checks, villain bets $20, I call, UTG folds to get villain and I HU. Turn is T of hearts; villain bets $25, I call. River is K of diamonds, villain shoves for $187 into something like a $110 pot. Hero: ???
     
  40. HuskerInMiami

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    Call.
     
  41. JGator1

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    No raise on a draw heavy flop like that? I'm guessing villain didn't have a flush, something like KQ seems more likely. Call.
     
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  42. Jake Barnes

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    Came to the same conclusion and he had that exact hand.

    And yes, in retrospect I wish I’d played the hand stronger on the flop.
     
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  43. Schadenfred

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    It helps to know the suits of your AK, as well as the suits of the flopped K and J. If your ace is a heart, then this is a very quick call. Villain is almost never betting $25 into the $90 turn without the nut flush or at least the queen-high flush if the flopped king is a heart. Most 1-2 villains will be scared that you might be drawing to a higher flush and will protect with a bigger bet. If the king you have in your hand is a heart (or if the king on the flop is not a heart), then that's also important information.

    Also, villain betting small on the turn before over-betting the river is an odd line with the nut or second nut flush. Smells more like a decent line with KT, KJ, 88, or the scary pre-flop JJ, though. If I'm playing the KT/KJ/88/JJ so poorly pre-flop, over-betting that river is a solid move since your hand looks like a rather inelastic AK or nut flush. But 1-2 players generally don't make moves like that and will instead try to guarantee getting paid with a boated river by making a smaller bet, so...

    late edit: Need to explain "Villain is almost never betting $25 into the $90 turn without the nut flush or at least the queen-high flush if the flopped king is a heart." What I meant was that you're usually either way ahead or way behind when villain bets $25 into $90 on a flush turn. And if you're way behind, then it's mostly the ace-high flush that villain has. This is why knowing the suit of your ace becomes very important.
     
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  44. fish

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    So you called and maxed profit? Sounds like you played it just fine to me.
     
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  45. Jake Barnes

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    Was down $500 at one point tonight in the $1/2 game and made it back to cash out with $1,100 for a tidy $400 profit. Always feels better when you battle back for it.
     
  46. Jake Barnes

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    Another comeback night, very similar situation to the other night. Wondering if my early play is a bit too loose for the game I'm playing.
     
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  47. Joe Louis

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    Was down, got it back, back down again. Know I'm not playing that well, to call it a night or press on? :idk:
     
  48. Jake Barnes

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    I tend to judge it based on how I play the next low pocket pair I get dealt.

    If someone raises in front of me and I'm just not in the mood to play it...I quit. I've lost the fight for that night.
     
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  49. Joe Louis

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    Got out while I had most of the 2nd buy in still. Just busted the morning AM $80 tourney. Took AQ all in from the BB with abt 10 BBs, one early raiser, he had AK. Maybe I coulda slowed that or just called. Had $9k chips, blinds were 400/800
    ...

    Feels like I was playing better at least. Down $500 of my "roll" now over the last month. Sunday 1/2 has been kind to me lately, see if I can get back even ...
     
  50. Joe Louis

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    Worked a $200 buy in to $400 in 1/2. callin it a weekend. Roll is only down $300 which I suppose isnt too bad for a month of action ...
     
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