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Discussion in 'Soccer Board' started by Fran Tarkenton, Apr 8, 2015.
How long will we hang on to de Boer if this shit keeps up?
FDB is pragmatic in speech and action. It’s the Dutch in him. I thought the hire was OK but I also thought Puyol or a more fiery Spanish as a first language speaker suits the club better.
Should have been a native Spanish speaker in my opinion.
It should have been a South American club coach imo, whether he was a native Spanish speaker or not. Weren't we bullish on the Boca Juniors coach?
Dutch people are wizards at languages
I think he meant running the practices in Spanish-first (FdB uses English first). To cater to the core of the roster who are primarily spanish speakers.
That culture is what made so many of the Argentines/SouthAmericans comfortable so quickly....and presumably helped create a stronger pipeline down there than we'd otherwise have.
Atlanta United’s players couldn’t hide their frustration. Leandro González Pírez angrily punted the match ball into the air. Reigning MLS MVP Josef Martínez stormed off the field, brushing aside a club staffer on his way to the locker room. Sections of the crowd voiced their disapproval with the outcome, the new manager and the performance in a disappointing 1-1 draw to expansion side FC Cincinnati. The irritation was palpable.
Consistent defensive errors and a toothless attack have replaced the high tempo, risk-taking vertical brand of soccer that made Atlanta United an exciting product under Tata Martino. That identity, which the club’s front office has publicly committed to on numerous occasions, appears to have left town with the Argentine manager in December. Five games into the 2019 season, the defending MLS champions are an indistinguishable version of their former selves.
“Last year we weren’t used to losing,” said Brad Guzan on Sunday. “It wasn’t in our DNA. We found ways to win games, score goals. We found a way. This year it hasn’t been the case so far.”
A bad performance in front of a sellout crowd in the home opener was highlighted by a lack of attacking ideas, predictable tactics, and dull soccer. In general, there was a noticeable lack of energy at Mercedes-Benz Stadium. The unveiling of the Supporters’ section tifo, a moment the crowd always looks forward to, sputtered and underwhelmed. Something seemed off.
This doesn’t feel like a championship hangover or a team that’s dealing with a shortened preseason. Instead, the plot of Atlanta United’s 2019 story so far concerns a takeover of the team’s attacking ethos, replaced by a long-term strategy of methodical possession within a defensive framework. This approach was intentional.
“You cannot train everything together,” said manager Frank de Boer last week when I asked him if there has been a concerted effort to work on the attack in training. “But you have to start somewhere. We…still believe that on the defensive side we could improve and on the offensive side they did already a fantastic job of course. So you have to make choices in the beginning. I’m convinced that we’re going to show that already against Cincinnati.”
A quick goal from Josef Martínez was followed by a slow-moving attack that was managed well by Cincinnati’s compact formation. The MLS newcomers stifled Atlanta’s creative players and were duly rewarded in the 86th minute when Roland Lamah slotted the equalizer past Guzan uncontested. Martino’s teams struggled with late-game collapses, too. But given the circumstances of Atlanta United’s early struggles under De Boer, this result really stung.
For the first time since their inaugural season in 2017, Atlanta United is dealing with the most dreaded and overused word in sports: adversity. In the context of the club’s heightened expectations, it’s new territory for the organization. A players-only intervention is common when teams are searching for answers during difficult stretches, and if it were up to Guzan, it would happen sooner than later.
“We need to regroup,” said the veteran goalkeeper. “Go back to the drawing board and figure it out. We can’t let this be a defining moment. This has to be a chance for us to have real conversations amongst ourselves as professionals, as athletes, as competitors. We need to find a way to win games—plain and simple. We’ve got to find a way to score goals. We’ve got to find a way to defend better. We’ve got to find a way to win.”
De Boer acknowledged after the game that the player’s mental state has been a concern. Because of that, the Dutch manager went for the win on Sunday and chose a strong lineup even though the second-leg CONCACAF Champions League quarterfinal against Monterrey was coming up 72 hours later.
“It is the first home game, so you want to be as strong as possible,” De Boer said. “There’s normally almost 73,000 people in this stadium. We had a loss in the first game against D.C. United, so you want a good result. Normally, when you think, ‘Ok, we have won the first game,’ then you maybe do some rotation. But for me, the most important thing was a win to get a boost into the next game, and sometimes you have to risk those things.”
The decision backfired. There were tired legs and the same ponderous play that has plagued Atlanta United in four of their five games thus far. They finished the match with four shots on target.
Atlanta United president Darren Eales and technical director Carlos Bocanegra took a risk this offseason, hiring a defense-first European manager over a South American candidate with a similar footballing philosophy to Martino’s.If given time, De Boer can be successful in Atlanta. Four poor performances won’t change the club’s ambitious business model. But now the world is watching.
In December, before Atlanta announced De Boer, Eales gave the MLS ExtraTime Radio podcast some insight regarding the future manager’s qualifications. “We want to play that attractive, goal-scoring style, so it would be crazy if we would’ve brought somebody in that’s a defensive specialist.”
The club’s supporters are aware of what the front office promised since day one. But so far in 2019, the product on the field isn’t aligned with the club’s initial strategy.
More pile on from the national media...
Just starting this one, so I am not sure what they say just yet. I like Matt Doyle though, so I'll listen.
And finally, user Wicket -- what are they saying in this 2 minute clip?
Liked everything that they said on Extra Time
After that rabbit hole of negativity, this was a nice highlight video to watch.
"where we hope to see that attacking football that we're used to"
*hint hint Frank*
looks like we've got a bye week after Philly btw, pretty nice timing
Good news guys Juventus came back from a 2-0 deficit at home today after the first leg and applying this definite apples to apples comparison means there's hope for us after all
So what score do we need tonight to advance?
3-0 for penalties or 4-0
I just want to see some improvement
Bello and Pogba are available btw
Hopefully that means no Shea
Read that Pogba was not looking Match Fit during ATL2 Saturday. Doubt we see him.
yeah I imagine it'll still be a bit for him, still progress though
Has there been any news about Escobar?
Looked it up. Still not cleared by the doctors. So likely April.
Bought my CCL tickets too soon. Plenty for sale at cheap prices!
Lots of Monterrey fans. Would be fun if MLS markets were like this.
Hope they get a red card early
I’ll take 3 for them for 1 to Miley Ambrose.
Yahoo is the biggest piece of shit. Match won’t cast, freezes within a minute of going full screen and with their four fucking banners you can’t even see the whole match screen.
Everything about CONCACAF is halfassed at best
it'll eventually work full screen if you keep refreshing, actually got it on the first try tonight
Yeah I’ve tried more than 10 times... freezes within the first minute every time.
don't give up, don't ever give up
wayyyyy more vertical passes/runs so far tonight
At least there’s a little creativity tonight. Like just a little.
Missed some easy opportunities that half. Gonna be hard as fuck this half to get 3.
seems that we look better when Barco does more of the initiating
If only he would pass faster instead of waiting for the window to close
I'll go ahead and say it: That big-ass star on our kit looks so fucking tacky.
Very much wish it was normal-sized.
If we hadn’t given up those two after the 80th minute, this would feel a hell of a lot less hopeless.
This announcer can blow me where the pampers are
least this happened
At least they showed something tonight. Feel a little better about moving forward.
I'll take what we showed tonight and smile
At least us spoiled ass fans can focus on the MLS season now
Still have inferior tactics compared to our Bielsa era.
Villalba needs to be in the 11
Layun may be their best player. Im surprised someone in MLS didnt overpay for him.
But Pabon makes or breaks that team. He is too good for North America.
Feels like we could have easily had 4 goals tonight. Fun game and we looked much better. Our field vision is shit. We either wait wait too long to make a pass or just don’t see it (looking at you Barco)
Agree with Fran that Tito needs to be in the 11.
loved the way miles robinson played tonight. also was happy with barco for the first time in a while.