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  1. Fran Tarkenton

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    would have to win CONCACAF champions league to do that

    to qualify for CCL its a little confusing because they moved the calendar so there is a bottleneck of qualified teams from USA. But basically, for this year, we need to finish 2nd overall in MLS standings then either Us or Toronto wins the MLS Cup.

    Future years: win US Open Cup, MLS Cup, Supporters Shield, Conference Champion iirc.
     
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  2. Hail Southern

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    Conf champions are decided by the MLS Cup playoff or finishing the regular season?
     
  3. Fran Tarkenton

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    Regular Season
     
  4. Festus McBadass

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  6. Fran Tarkenton

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    big game tonight, need this Win to get to 2nd place. Then hold on to our butts the final 2 games.

    - Very limited roster tonight. B squad at best.

    - Greg Garza is out 4-to-6 weeks, but Almiron could be back for Toronto.
     
  7. Festus McBadass

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    Reynish starting over Kann. Not a huge fan of the XI tonight.
     
  8. London Humphreys

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    Vallalba is really good and fast, but anyone think he runs a little gay? Not that there's anything wrong with that!
     
  9. Festus McBadass

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    Not gay, just Latino
     
  10. Festus McBadass

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    Is it me or has this ref sucked?
     
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  11. London Humphreys

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    No way that shouldn't have been a straight red.
     
  12. London Humphreys

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    Oh.
     
  13. AC

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    This team! That pass from Asad was ridiculous.
     
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  14. London Humphreys

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    This gressell kid is nice.
     
  15. Pile Driving Miss Daisy

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    Holy shit at this comeback with ten men.
     
  16. London Humphreys

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    Not so fast.
     
  17. AC

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    Tired legs and poor marking.
     
  18. Where Eagles Dare

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    Lame.

    MLS needs to do a better job scheduling around world cup/international games.
     
  19. London Humphreys

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    Well that was depressing.
     
  20. Festus McBadass

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    Was worse being there
     
  21. MA

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    If I have the numbers right, we've dropped 14 out of a possible 30 points against the bottom 5 teams in MLS.
     
  22. Festus McBadass

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    So we have to win the last two get secure the 3 seed, right? The 2 seed is probably out of the question now.
     
  23. Festus McBadass

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    Today just felt like a loss from the jump. No Miggy, Garza, Martinez, Guzan. Jones' sorry ass starting. 7th game in 23 days.
     
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  24. triceratops

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    Depends on what happens with NYCFC and Chicago. Atlanta controls their own destiny for the #3. NYCFC for #2. Chicago for the #3.

    Chicago gets 4 and Atlanta gets 3 then Atlanta is still #3. Atlanta would be #2 in this scenario if NYCFC got 0.

    Win out at NYCFC needs 4 to stay #2. 3 for NYCFC and Atlanta wins the tiebreak and jumps them.

    Atlanta has 2nd tiebreaker wrapped up and 1st tiebreaker is wins, which NYCFC has 16 and Atlanta/Chicago 15, so any scenario with a points tie after 34 games would end with the teams tied for wins, so Atlanta would be the higher seed.
     
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  25. Festus McBadass

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    Gressel tied the MLS rookie record for assists last night.
     
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  26. Fran Tarkenton

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    that sucked other than how crazy the atmosphere was when we got the lead

    not really much to say other than how terrible that Ref was. It was astonishing. MBS played an entire reel of all his missed calls postgame. Still dont understand what triggers VAR and what doesnt.
     
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  27. Room 15

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    The goalie call was fine IMO...he came out and completely whiffed on the ball. They just should've had a straight red too after that first tackle on Villalba
     
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    Must have been a long reel
     
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  29. Festus McBadass

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    Is Kann still hurt? Is that why he didn't play?

    Also, McCann got hurt last night but idk what the injury is.
     
  30. London Humphreys

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    And if that happens, game may have been in hand and keeper never put in that position.
     
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  31. Fran Tarkenton

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    Atlanta United will set not only a new MLS record for average attendance, it will also break the U.S. club mark set by the Cosmos of 47,856 per game in 1978 at Giants Stadium.

    The Five Stripes are averaging 46,721 through 16 home games with one regular season event remaining against Toronto on Oct. 22. The team announced on twitter on Wednesday that it has sold at least 70,426 tickets for that game with tickets still available.

    Adding at least that total to the team’s total of 747,530 tickets sold would increase Atlanta United’s season average for attendance to at least 48,115.

    Seattle set the MLS record for average attendance with 44,247 in 2015.

    Atlanta United set the MLS single-game attendance mark with 70,425 tickets sold for the game against Orlando City on Sept. 16.
     
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  32. Fran Tarkenton

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    Inter Milan are apparently keeping close tabs on Atlanta United FC star Miguel Almiron.

    CalcioMercato.com reported on Saturday that Inter Milan are “closely monitoring” the Paraguayan international, who could be worth as much as €15-20 million to the Serie A giants.

    The website also reported that English Premier League club Arsenal are interested in the 23-year-old attacking midfielder.

    Almiron transferred from Argentine club Lanus and signed a Designated Player deal with Atlanta last December. He’s been excellent for the Five Stripes, playing a leading role in their stellar expansion season with nine goals and 13 assists in 29 regular season appearances.

    Almiron has missed Atlanta’s last three games due to a hamstring injury suffered on Sept. 24 against the Montreal Impact. The club, who are currently in third in the East and have already clinched a berth in the Audi 2017 MLS Cup Playoffs, are targeting a potential return for next Sunday’s match at the New York Red Bulls.
     
  33. Room 15

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    How do transfers work in the MLS? Do we get all that, or does it get dispersed through the league?
     
  34. Fran Tarkenton

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    Club gets 66% of fee unless a homegrown which is 75%, I think.
     
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  36. Where Eagles Dare

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    So explain soccer transfers to someone who only understand American sports free agency.

    Arsenal will olay ATL United 25 million, we get our cut, then will pay him as well some massive contract?

    Do we have any reason to say "No, we'd like to keep our best player"? Can we even do that?

    What good is 66% of 25 million when we lose one of the top 2 offensive pieces on the team?

    Is he gone no matter what and we just need to get however much cash we can get?
     
  37. Gaknight

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    So Atlanta can keep Almiron the length of his contract unless he has a buyout clause. If he really wants to go without he can request a transfer, but Atlanta doesn't have to comply. You usually don't want to keep a pissed off player so at that point you get as much as you can.

    When his contract is up he can go free without anyone paying anything.
     
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  38. Fran Tarkenton

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    Well for starters, USA Soccer Transfers =/= same thing as Europe Soccer transfers. So in explaining Transfers in the MLS, do not allow that to confuse you with how it works in Europe.

    The MLS, incorporated, technically owns all of its players Contracts. Not the individual teams. Iirc, the players actually receive their paychecks from MLS. Generally, all players have a standard salary set and regulated by MLS. Salary Cap structure, Benefits, etc. However, MLS in the David Beckham era, allowed for each franchise to purchase "Designated" players that would be set aside of those regulations. The individual teams could purchase, using its own money, special players but the MLS would still run/maintain/hold the Contracts. So, Atlanta could go buy a Miguel Almiron, do all the negotiating, set the $ terms, but they'd hand off the Administrative duties to MLS; its quasi parent organization.

    That is all different from European markets. European markets are structured much more like Major League Baseball. The Individual Clubs do all their own business. There is no Salary Cap, they can pay Unlimited Fees and Wages. Few regulations and restrictions on Personnel outside of Fair Play and basic rules structuring (the bigger impediment over there are the UK/EU employment red tape). Whereas MLS went for the NBA approach on steroids. The MLS wanted to avoid a situation where you have a few dominant franchises like Yankees/ManUnited and have more competitive balance and equity; tho the teams with strong ownership have attempted to circumvent this as the league has grown.

    "Do we have any reason to say "No, we'd like to keep our best player"? Can we even do that? " We could do that. But consideration is also given to what the Player wants. You don't want a disgruntled employee that wants to move on to a better club with higher earning potential. Also, Atlanta would not want to say No on a transfer request for a player who has 1 year left on his K....and risk losing the player for zero compensation.

    "What good is 66% of 25 million when we lose one of the top 2 offensive pieces on the team?" The 66% thing is unique to MLS. It is not at play in other European markets. To answer your question, the 66% factor sort of heightens what transfer amount Atlanta would be seeking. Atlanta would want a # that not only compensates for the loss in value of Almiron, but allows it to offset that loss by acquiring a replacement player in the transfer market.

    "Is he gone no matter what and we just need to get however much cash we can get?" He is not gone until the Player either says he wants to leave Atlanta, or until the K expires and he does not agree to an extension. But yes, that scenario can happen where the Current Club will look to salvage value. This is at play constantly in Europe. See Alexis Sanchez at Arsenal currently.

    As for your question on Arsenal = Arsenal would generally agree to a "Transfer Fee" for a player with the player's current club. The player would only consent to the transfer if the "Wages", salary/bonuses, is what the player seeks. The human resource regulations are set by the continental governing body, UEFA, and the individual Nations themselves.

    https://www.sbnation.com/soccer/2014/7/28/5923187/transfer-window-soccer-europe-explained
     
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  39. Where Eagles Dare

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    All that is way too fucking retarded
     
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  40. Where Eagles Dare

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    So we pay Almiron 2.3 million and paid an Argentina team 7 million, which is basically ATLUTD buying the contract fro. The Argentina team.

    I assume Almiron would make a lot more money in Europe...which on top of playing with the best players would make him want to go?
     
  41. Fran Tarkenton

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    For sure. And the MLS has been making up rules ad hoc as Clubs with $ pressure the League to allow them to spend and improve their product.

    Clubs are also given Fake Currency, known as Allocated Money, to "buy down" the cap hit of players contracts that are not designated but can command wages higher than what the MLS has set as max price for the year. There are multiple types of General Allocated Money, Targeted Allocated Money, etc.

    Its confusing as hell. Because the MLS pulled it out of its ass.
     
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  42. Fran Tarkenton

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    He'd earn far more money on the field. Wages, Bonuses, etc. He'd also earn more endorsement money via heightened exposure.

    But playing in our favor are things such as
    - comfortability with the current club
    - quickly uprooting family as they adjust to life in current club city
    - Atlanta being a closer flight to Paraguay than Europe
    - Most important for a young player = playing time. Europe is much more cut throat competitive with threat of relegation to a lesser league. Those clubs cant afford to play a player not yet ready to log consistent minutes. While a young player needs those minutes to develop and improve.
     
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  43. Gaknight

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    Only the top players in Europe make outrageous salaries. $2-$3mil a year is pretty standard for your average starter on a team unless you are on the very top paying teams.
     
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  44. triceratops

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    I think Atlanta is paid back its transfer fee outlay first and then the proceeds are split 66/33 with MLS.

    So it Almiron was sold for $20 Million then $8 Million would pay back Atlanta and then $12 Million would be split 66/33. Atlanta would net $8 Million profit of which a certain portion becomes TAM/GAM (maybe $800,000) and the rest is money that can be used on operations (facilities, transfer fees, front office staff, etc.). It is confusing though because it is MLS. I definitely think the team gets their money back first and foremost (and the league gets their portion of the fee back as well if they paid any) and then the split occurs at that point.

    Atlanta can turn down any transfer, but if they get a ~$20 Million offer then they have to take it. Too much profit. Also can take a fee for any potential moves down the line, so if Almiron blows up and gets a $100 Million move to Barcelona in 2 years they could get another $10 Million. Can't turn that down. Could wait another year if player wants to stay, but can't risk losing him for nothing at end of deal. Can't risk having a disgruntled player if Almiron really wants to move and you block it.

    Use the TAM and Profit and buy another player or two to replace Almiron. How soccer works in rest of the world and how MLS can take the next step.
     
  45. London Humphreys

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    In Europe the player gets appr. 10% of the transfer fee, right? Anything like that here for Almiron in MLS?
     
  46. SugarShaun

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    Players don’t necessarily make more money. Guys like Dempsey, Bradley, Altidore all came back to make significantly more money. Believe Gio is also making a good bit more than he was in Italy
     
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    No they don’t
     
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  48. Hail Southern

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    I feel confident our FO can get someone that is at least capable if we lose him. I think we are hitting above average with our DP's and hopefully we can do that again.

    I also think A. Blank may be ok with shelling out more money for an even bigger up and coming DP to replace Almiron since our fans have proven large scale support for our club like this country has never seen since the Cosmos. But that is just my opinion.
     
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    I mean yeah have the best since then but you make it sound like no one is coming close when the Sounders put up fantastic numbers that are a few thousand below that.

    I’m going to go puke now for giving those douches a compliment
     
  50. Fran Tarkenton

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