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Discussion in 'The Mainboard' started by laxjoe, Mar 12, 2019.
The fuck is wrong with you?
Props for that.
I do think if Stagger has responded that he does volunteer by “coaching”, you all would have said that wasn’t even close to enough.
But that’s just my assumption...
we need anything in communities. Even if it’s coaching one sport that is awesome. Something is better than nothing.
Look I went to Little Rock Central. Right around the time “Bangin in the Rock” aired on HBO. They filmed some of it right around the corner from my school. I was bused in from the burbs to go as a way of offsetting the demographics as Central was overwhelmingly POC.
It seemed pretty shitty for some to sit here and tell Stagger Lee what he should be doing with his kids. If it was my kids and I was sending them to public school in an environment like I went to school; I would think hard about it. Especially after knowing a bunch of the teachers who work in inner city schools and the shit they deal with.
You can send you kid to a bad school, volunteer all you want, and your kid still gets a lesser education than if they went to the best school in the area. There's way more to it than one parent volunteering. If you want say I'm the problem for moving to the area with the best schools, so be it. I'll say that if you don't try to get your kid in the best school you can that you're a shitty parent. So we can just all judge each other. The system sucks. If I could change it, I would. But I'll be damned if I don't legally try to get the best for my kid within the confines of the current system.
The problem is in how we determine what the “best” schools are. It isn’t nearly as objective as parents like to pretend and it is very much intertwined with racism.
Did i just read an ANCAP wishing for better public schools
That's fair. But when all ratings consistently show the same schools at the top, it shouldn't be a surprise that parents will flock to that area for the schools. And it shouldn't be a surprise that the better funded schools are more highly rated. That goes back to the funding from taxes being the problem. I can't change that by myself so I have to play the game. Sucks but it is what it is.
telling someone who dedicated their life to education that they aren't leading by example is one of the most profoundly bizarre things i've ever read on this board
THF is one of the most profoundly stupid posters on this board, so it makes sense
My wife teaches at what was one of the worst schools in the district. She went in with a mind set of changing things. Her and other liked minded teachers began to do things that lead to kids caring about themselves and the school. That lead to parents caring. She has been there about 10 years now. Is in charge of so much. Has a bunch of credentials that helps her do things without worrying about being fired. It’s been a long hard process but it can be done. Giving up the local school is the problem.
Let’s not change the argument shall we? I never said or even accused that he wasn’t leading by teaching. I simply asked if he was using his free time to volunteer as he suggested Stagger Lee do. We all choose our professions. Some are more worthy than others.
I have nothing against teachers. It’s a profession I couldn’t do effectively and so I choose to do something else.
you're arguing about him not volunteering at the school his own kids would go to in this hypothetical
like take a beat and re-read the last page and scale the defensiveness back
FWIW even if duc15 only volunteered at his school why would that be wrong? Doing shit for an extra 20 hours a week doesn’t count unless you do it at a different location? I don’t know what you do for a living but do you give your employer 20-30 hours a week of free time? Of course you don’t. Giving him that qualifier is weird. Having a wife as a teacher I understand how much they go up and beyond the call. I also see how much parents don’t understand what they provide and how much administration tries to take advantage. My wife has a BA and MA from a particular public ivy. She about to apply for a PhD program at the same school. She is as educated as any professional but sometimes not respected as such. It’s really BS.
Second this. It amazes me how little effort some parents put into their kids. Like to the point that I’m surprised they make it to 5 years old
That's awesome. She should be commended for it. We need more teachers like her. But I'm not a teacher. I can't waive a magic wand and make a lesser school into a great school overnight to send my kid there. Sure, sending my kid to the lesser school and working to make it better in the future would be the noble thing to do but I'm selfish when it comes to my kid. I care more about the school being good when she gets there so she can benefit from it more than I do that it's better for the next kid. If I'm wrong for that, so be it, but I want the best for my kid.
Is this where schools that take tax dollars from public schools start to be considered part of the problem?
Your ratings are based off socioeconomics
Economics affect funding and funding affects the school so I don't disagree.
Again I'll ask, who here intentionally sends their kid to a lower rated school by choice?
Not in an entire school district that ahs disparities
"damnit I wish someone would fill in these potholes. Are we spending all our money on metal plates?"
I doubt that. But if you do, we are just different. I want the best for my kid.
Just so we are clear this is literally the problem. At least you acknowledge it.
if you mean charter school then yes, yes it is.
this is where it turns into a lame and disingenuous conversation
Yes and their other similar names like magnet schools.
Here in Florida the higher rated schools are awarded more funding based on being higher rated. It's fucked up that's how it works.
Millions because that’s their only “choice”.
I'm not saying he doesn't. I'm just saying I do.
every loving parent does. Literally every one of us wants the best for our kids.
Your school is where you love. Where you own a home.
If you can move, that's your privilege that most others don't have.
I live in a district with a Great School rating and willfully send them there vs selling my house and finding some cookie cutter suburban school that had the proper socioeconomic diversity to get a high score.
Again, the "score" you're looking at is a biased metirc that doesn't properly grade the school. There have been numerous studies on this
Right, I get that. How many of those millions would put their kids in a higher rated school if given the choice? 95%?
Hell yeah, WED is a shitty father
if the charter and private schools in my area are rated higher I guess I will because I won’t send my kids to those.
you’re insinuating it and it’s gross to the people who don’t have the means to live to better districts to imply they don’t care about their children
But in Florida aren't the higher rates schools just disappointing ones that teach towards passing state mandated tests and not so much focused on a great education?
So you own a home in an area with a great school district. Coincidence?
Tax base is huge as is parental involvement, they aren’t mutually exclusive. The problem is multi faceted obviously, but poor districts also come with a huge percentage of kids from broken homes. It’s difficult to have parental involvement when there aren’t two parents and somehow that’s become a taboo issue because it comes across as shaming people. Single parents are working their asses off to put food on the table and unsurprisingly don’t have time for science projects, volunteer coaching, and parent teacher conferences. Ground zero is fixing family structures and tax base and involvement will follow, but that’s too hard of a conversation for most to have.
Access to BC and abortions dramatically affect this which is why I loathe evangelicals because they only care about the unborn but once they’re born, it’s all bootstraps. Fuck that. By that time, they’re so behind the 8 ball, nothing matters.
this is a bullshit question. It's impossible to answer. It’s a trick question.
Wasn't my intention. I stated that to justify me building a house in an area with the highest rated schools in the state rather than staying where I am where the schools are just OK. And yes I realize that's a huge privilege and all can't do that but I'm not some monster for wanting the best for my kid. We all do.
No I am not saying that. I trust me I know intimately the extra hours teachers work and I have incredible respect for them.
The argument though was having Stagger Lee take his free time to volunteer. It is one thing to work extra hours to get their work done for non teachers. Working extra hours at your job, isn’t really volunteering though.
If I work 60 hours at my salaried job; I am not really volunteering at my company. So it’s tough to attribute it to being a “volunteer” at his school. It’s part of the job which is dramatically underpaid and under appreciated (at least until Covid).
This board likes to make a lot of generalizations and with public versus private schooling I think it will all depends on the actual school district and in most cases the actual school even to the teacher. I have seen great teachers in shitty schools and shitty teachers in great private schools.
I do know the teachers who tolerated my dumbass deserve sainthood for what I put most of them through.
Title 1 schools get a fuck load dof federal funding.
I'm not sure this is completely right
What if it turned out a kid achieved more by going to a lesser rated school? What if parents could see all the little paths their kids lives could take, and it turned out school ratings didn't matter to the best possible outcomes? Would they still send them to the higher rated schools?
Comparing kids who are at a school because socio-economic disadvantage is stupid
How dare I send my kid to a diverse elementary school with massive community support that happens to have a poor student body.
Must be a shit school!!
No, it's not.
No. I own a home in an area thst doesn't have "Great Schools"
it is a My Cousin Vinny reference which I thought applies. But it really is because there is so much in play that it makes it an impossible question to answer. It’s not as simple as saying “do you want the best for your kid”. Of course they do but that’s not how things work in the real world.
this is where you’re mistaken. If he coaches if he tutors if sets up food banks those are things that aren’t part of his job description and 100% volunteering. It doesn’t matter if he does it at his school. There are all kinds of things he can do that aren’t part of his job that would be him volunteering.