I figured none of the retards in the "bad police" thread will touch on these things, because it doesn't fit their agenda. (most of them have gotten too many speeding tickets or harassments for skateboarding at banks) http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2015/08/06/shreveport-la-police-officer-shot/31201541/ Spoiler Police search in Miss. for Louisiana cop killer Zach Beaird, The (Shreveport, La.) Times3:13 p.m. EDT August 6, 2015 A Shreveport, Louisiana police officer has been shot and killed in the line of duty. Dozens of officers were involved in a manhunt for the suspect. VPC 425TWEET 5LINKEDIN 129COMMENTEMAILMORE SHREVEPORT, La. — Police expanded their search Thursday for a cop killer to at least one additional state about 12 hours after an officer here was shot and killed. In Jackson, Miss., officers have searched at least two Greyhound buses that arrived from Louisiana in a manhunt for Grover D. Cannon, 27, accused of shooting a Shreveport police officer multiple times. Police there are monitoring other buses; Greyhound has five buses daily from Shreveport to Jackson, some with intermediate stops. Cannon is wanted for first-degree murder in the Wednesday night death of Officer Thomas LaValley, 29, who joined the department in 2011. Cannon also is wanted for attempted second-degree murder for the July 15 shooting of Darren Williams, 45, Shreveport police Chief Willie Shaw said. “No matter what rock he crawls under we will find him,” Shaw said. “I would suggest that he turn himself in immediately. Because we are looking for him. I say ‘we’ in the broades sense of the word. We are not bound by state lines. We are not bound by county lines. We are not bound by country lines. … We will not rest until this individual is brought to justice.” USA TODAY Suspect arrested in Memphis cop killing Cannon could face the death penalty for the first-degree murder charge. He is accused of killing LaValley as the officer responded around 9:14 p.m. CT to a call of an armed man making threats toward a family member. LaValley was taken to a Shreveport hospital with critical injuries and died just after midnight, police spokesman Marcus Hines said. Suspect Grover D. Cannon, 27, of Shreveport (Photo: Shreveport (La.) Police Department) LaValley is at least the 71st officer who died in the line of duty this year, the 19th killed by gunfire, according to the Officer Down Memorial Page. The number is down by nine from the same time last year. Six other officers have died in Louisiana this year. "He was one of the good guys," said Casey Habich, a friend of LaValley. "He was a caretaker and went above and beyond to make sure his family and friends were always well looked after." Shaw said he was especially touched by LaValley's death because he hired the officer. LaValley had been a videographer at KTBS-TV, Shreveport, when he told Shaw of his aspirations to become an officer. Officer Thomas LaValley, 29, of Shreveport (Photo: Shreveport (La.) Police Department) During a search of Shreveport's Queensboroughneighborhood overnight, police searched two nearby houses but confirmed that the suspect was not inside either one. Shreveport police, Caddo Parish deputies, DeSoto Parish deputies, U.S. Marshals, Louisiana State Policeand now Jackson, Miss., police have joined the search for Cannon. "May God bless the family of the SPD officer that lost his life tonight serving our city," the Caddo Parish Constable's Office posted on its Facebook page. "Please keep this officer's family in your prayers tonight as well as our local law enforcement. He died protecting us.''
Bro is going to make an awful attorney, if he's able to graduate and pass the bar. I'd be shocked if he cracked 150 on the LSAT.
What percentage of police officers die violent deaths in the line of duty each year? I'll give you odds it starts with '.0'
Because it's not a big deal to me. They're people like you and I. It's an inherently dangerous job, but the data shows the likelihood any of them will die violently in the line of duty is beyond minuscule. Why am I supposed to give more shits about them than any other profession or person? Particularly if they're not collectively doing their job to a standard I deem worthy of respect? They're compensated well. They chose the profession. Now they're dictating the standard of professionalism under the guise of "fear" when the data says they have relatively little to fear. That I take issue with.
Yeah I don't really care what you take issue with. I care about cops, because they are tasked to protect me. I don't care about criminals, because they harm people.
Straw man argument. Who said anything about criminals. Having your hand in your pocket doesn't make you a criminal or a potential threat unless you're a pussy. And if you're a pussy you shouldn't be a cop. Literally and figuratively (bc women LEO's; woof).
Yes professionalism and competence matter when innocent people's lives and peace of mind are at risk. I value those things, as they are inherent rights afforded me, over the .00008% chance a cop might be killed. As I've stated, there are other ways to mitigate legitimate risk. Seeking unnecessary confrontation and purposefully escalating situations because you have broad and ambiguous powers isn't one of them. I don't overreact to statistical improbabilities.
You ever gone to work one day and had your buddy shot and killed by someone you probably didn't think was a threat? I'll hang up and listen.
Unfortunate, but irrelevant. If personal tragedy alters your perception of reality so greatly that it affects the way you perform your duties/view the world; you shouldn't be doing that job anymore. That's what being a professional is all about. Maintaining perspective. I can't help but think of every mom whose child is injured or dies in some random, novel way and the encompanying "we need to regulate this or outlaw that". Shit happens, but it doesn't happen enough to LEO's to warrant the adoption of aggressive, escalating tactics or excuse emotionally weak, unprofessionalism like the idiot in that video pulling his gun. You can't treat everyone as a criminal because one person turned out to be one. If that logic flies, because there are bad cops who make bad decisions I am justified in taking a proactive approach in defending myself from all cops because this one might be the dumb one?
1) people dying while attempting to enforce laws and protect the public isn't a big deal to you? 2) numbers of violent deaths barely represents the number of potentially fatal situations cops deal with every day that are defused, without even mentioning cops being injured but not killed. 3) you think cops collectively don't do their jobs to your standard? You mention the number of cops nationwide in relation to those who die, but that same ratio doesn't apply to stories about bad cops? 4) cops are compensated well? The fuck?
You understand there's a difference between assuming someone is armed until you ensure otherwise and treating them like a criminal, right? If you think an individual's personal experience doesn't affect their decision making, in any profession, you're being obtuse
1) Not in the grand scheme of shitty things happening on a daily basis. It's not an epidemic. It's not an issue or problem. Unless you want to spout the "one is one too many" rhetoric, it's simply so rare that it doesn't warrant more/less attention or concern from me compared to any other unfortunate incident. And it certainly hasn't warranted or necessitates the shift, evolution in/on policing policy/procedures (militarization) we've seen over the last decade. It really is quite an overblown response frankly. Just like attacks on the 2nd amendment in response to mass shootings. I'm not trying to be edgy, but shitty things happen. 2) I know, right?! The disparity in that ratio tells me maybe the world isn't as dangerous as every nervy, skittish cop would have one believe when justifying their actions. Or that most situations can be mitigated with good level headed policing because Joe Asshole isn't looking for a reason to kill you as soon as you let your guard down. Or maybe you'll cite modern police tactics as evidence of improved officer safety? Well, as low as the percentages are (you'll die violently on the job), they've actually risen over the years. Perhaps tacticool and the "us vs them" mentality isn't serving modern police all that well? 3) There's no accurate way to quantify as much. For one, police are given broad and semi-ambiguous powers. In the same way a Christian can cite faith as a catch all argument for their lack of proof supporting the existence of God, a cop can justify unprofessional behavior and flat wrong decisions after the fact with a number of subjective, grey area defenses. And frankly cops are prone to backing/covering for each other (I immediately think of the exchange between officers in the Cincy shooting, the indicted cop attempting to control/suggest the narrative and his fellow officers either agreeing or telling him to keep quiet). Point being, who knows what the real number/ratio is? There's only on definitive in the equation (violent LEO deaths). What we are seeing though, with the preponderance of cameras and phones (social accountability), is a disturbing trend. Thus I wouldn't be surprised if it's a wholly under-reported/misrepresented number. 4) If you're only making your base salary as a LEO you're doing it wrong. I don't know of many who are just making that. You can do very well in that profession. Especially considering the skills/education necessary, requires for entry into the field. And don't get me started on unionization in the public sector.
Do you feel the need to ensure every person you encounter is unarmed? It shouldn't though. And that's the difference between an amateur and a professional. A professional, in any field, is cognizant of their emotions, how it affects their performance, outcomes, and maintains perspective/control. There's no room for amateurs or the acceptance of amateurish behavior in your profession with the level of social responsibility you possess. Yours isn't a profession for average. Yet realistically there aren't 750k exceptional people cut out for the work. So what's the answer? Increased accountability. The LE community should be held to a higher standard and degree of accountability. And just as an innocent person should have nothing to fear from the police, good cops shouldn't fear increased accountability and more severe repercussions for fucking up. As it stands it's far too hard to hold LEO's accountable, professionally (unions) and legally (ambiguous and broad standards of guilt compared to civilians). That needs to change. Cops should always be erring on the side of sacrifice, not self preservation, because that's the job. Unfortunately in today's world being a LEO or serving in the military for many has become about entitlement, not sacrifice. Give me my free college education and technical skill, but don't send me to war. Give me my overtime and pension, but don't expect me to take any chances/accept risk.
this is to the broader idea of the thread and not the current back and forth. but, I hate that the other "bad police" thread's discussions always becomes people who hate police vs. people who believe in a police state. is there a thread for people who have a healthy, natural fear and apprehension about police officers and want them to be held accountable for brutality, but also respect that the overwhelming majority of them do a difficult job dealing with people I wouldn't want to every day and just want to get home to their families? I want to post in that thread, because I often find myself on the side of the "cop haters" but I don't. I just view it from the perspective that includes the natural skepticism of government/tyranny that formed this country. tia
Police officer pistol whipped in Birmingham.... http://www.al.com/news/birmingham/index.ssf/2015/08/police_officer_shot.html
Even though it doesn't fit my agenda, I'd like to say that I'm generally against pistol whipping police officers. I think it is a bad thing. Thank you for your time. I will now return to my regularly scheduled agenda.
Yes, it's called the Bad Police thread. And it functions as intended until people blindly support the police. It's about accountability and using rational thought to discuss ways to fix the major issues with American police policies. As far as I can tell there is no one posting on this board that hates police. That'd be an absurd way to feel as the vast majority of police work is good.