He was shot bc he didn't follow orders and make it easy, not bc the cop feared for his life. I'm a fat fuck and I could have easily dodged the car, just like the cop did. “Under Kansas law, this was a proper use of force,” That's such bullshit. It's sad when cops use the George Zimmerman defense. It's gotten to where they can shoot anyone and cry fear for life as an excuse.
Mom: Didn't adjust seat belt straps correctly, which is very easy to do. Cop: Drove 94mph into another car. Both slapped with the same charge.
It’s like saying if she was changing the baby and had her out of the car seat she’d be guilty of murder too. It’s beyond stupid.
It’s impressive this thread will get dbl arguing parents shouldn’t have to properly secure their children in car seats
Kind of related, but as a new parent, I was shocked at how little help/direction there is with car seats. Apparently fire departments used to help install them correctly but they no longer do bc of insurance and liability reasons. Stores won't help for the same reasons. I got lucky and the guy at Buy Buy Baby that I'd become cool with walked out and walked me through it. He wouldn't touch it but he told me what to do. It's not rocket science but it's something I'd never done and there's nothing that says you did it right or wrong. I did my best and think it's in right but I'd be lying if I said I knew for sure.
My youngest is in the 4th grade so it’s been a while since I set one up but when my first was born I was young and remember having all kinds of issues. If this woman was driving 94 miles an hour got into an accident and her child died I’d understand her being charged. Her sitting in the passenger seat and being charged with the same shit as the asshole cop is ridiculous.
Nobody is saying they shouldn't properly secure their children. As someone with a toddler right now, I know how easy it is to do it wrong. If the kid was in the front seat with no seat belt or sitting in her lap, sure. From all accounts, she had the kid in the car seat and secure to the best of her knowledge. Charging a mom that just lost her child bc she didn't have the straps tight enough when there's absolutely nothing on them that says they are tight or not is beyond dumb.
fwiw she wasn't in a parked car. Her friend was driving. http://www.theadvocate.com/baton_ro...cle_7ee096a6-1c03-11e8-ba78-839ee2f97bea.html The crash occurred around 8 p.m. Oct. 12, 2017, when a Baton Rouge Police officer — driving his Corvette 94 mph while off duty — struck the Nissan carrying the four adults and four children. Officer Christopher Manuel was driving north on Airline Highway and crashed into the passenger side of the Nissan, which was turning left onto Florline Boulevard at a green light.
It's not like he was in a cruiser with his lights on either, he was off duty and driving like a maniac in his Corvette.
You can make up facts if you would like, but three counts of child safety restraint violations, an unlicensed driver and more people riding in the vehicle than seats available is a clear case of negligence.
There's no info on the other 3 child restraint violations. If 3 kids weren't buckled in, charge the driver. I'm fine with that. Charging a mom that did put her kid in a car seat bc the shoulder straps weren't tight enough it beyond dumb. If you've ever buckled into a car seat, you'd know that.
I would encourage you to take a child passenger safety class if you don’t know how to buckle your child in his or her car seat. Child endangerment isn’t something that you should just shrug off.
We took two prior to birth. Both just said straps should be tight. Tight to you may be different than it is to me. There's nothing on the straps that says they are adjusted correctly. No metter that says the right amount of pressure. They aren't automatic like adult seat belts in a car. Nothing. The parent just has to hope they have them them tight enough to keep them safe (and avoid a murder charge) yet not too tight to where they suffocate them.
Is there a reason you keep trying to attack this angle and are ignoring the fact the car seat itself wasn’t secured?
there are probably levels of negligence we'd all agree on here. Sitting the car seat in the back seat (not strapping it in), and securing one of the child's arms but not the other is a good example of a high level of negligence. Having the car seat properly strapped in, the child fully secured, but it being a little too loose is another level. Do we know exactly what this situation was??
The article I read said it was not properly secured and the straps were loose, making it sound like she tried and just did it wrong, which is very easy to do. If the car seat wasn't secured to the car and just tossed in the back seat then I'm fine with her being arrested.
Do you really think they’re going to arrest a grieving mother just because the straps were a little loose?
Nothing exemplifies "Serve and Protect" like shouting "You're gonna get fucked up hardcore" at an unarmed man you're trying to arrest for jaywalking then repeatedly electrocuting him and beating him in the face.
Kudos to the police chief because it sounds like she’s addressing this in the best way possible considering the situation.
http://www.modbee.com/news/nation-world/national/article202812109.html Two former Georgia police officers were indicted by a grand jury on 10 counts Wednesday, including battery and aggravated assault, WXIA and others reported. The allegations came after cell phone video surfaced of the former Gwinnett County officers, Michael Bongiovanni and Robert McDonald, beating a black man who appeared to be compliant at a traffic stop on April 12, 2017. One video shows Bongiovanni striking 21-year-old Demetrius Hollins getting out of a red sedan with his hands raised. There’s about a two-second pause, then Bongiovanni strikes the man in the head with his first or forearm, whipping him toward the door as the man struggles to keep his hands up.
that area is a big bar/brewery area so you have people crossing in the middle of the street all the time. thank god they kept the public safe by beating the shit outta that dude
Study finds that 38% of the fatal police shootings in 2017 never had any body camera footage released. Can anyone give me a good reason that all body cam footage, regardless of how banal, shouldn't be archived and viewable by the public? I think allowing for citizens to be able to go to mylocalpd.gov/accountability and view basically any dash or body cam footage would be huge for regaining a lot of lost public trust. I feel like it would also force the officers to be better people and dissuade emotionally-stunted, power-tripping meatheads from joining in the first place.
I would argue that the individuals who are framed are also punished, as a matter of fact they are punished even more than the tax payers.
Some agencies are implementing it on their own. body cams would be great, but I’d settle for just bodymicrophones being mandatory at this point.
I misread your post at first. "Some agencies are implementing it on their own. body cams would be great" was read as: "Some agencies are implanting it on their own bodies. Cams would be great" and I thought "Wow, that's some minority report future cop shit and I approve."
That would be a good start but cops would work around those things too easily. They already know to yell stop resisting while beating the shit out of people that are already restrained.
http://radio.wosu.org/post/columbus-police-reinstates-officer-zachary-rosen The officer saw a black man and was forced to defend his boot from the man's threatening face. Spoiler
Yeah, I've seen it backfire. One agency listed in their GPO that if a camera was turned on then so should audio, so LEO's stopped turning camera's on lol.