So when I am objective about a guy clearly wronging a police officer, I am lumped in with "you guys turn a blind eye". Clearly you haven't read my posts ITT.
You come to a thread about bad cops to post videos of bad criminals. You dont see how that comes off as you being a tad biased? It's understandable that you, but come on man. And fwiw I almost always reply "good shoot" when you come to post an obvious good shoot. It's just weird that you do it here, as if you think we dont understand that most shoots are good shots. This thread is to discuss the few bad cops out there yet you just want to shine light on bad criminals and get on a soapbox about a mean tweet about a cop. You gloss over the same guy's tweets about a guy being locked up in Louisiana for years for no good reason yet spend a day on a soapbox bc the guy tweeted out something that ended up being wrong.
In fairness the allegation leveled at the cop were major and if King is not careful he could end up like Al Sharpton after the Tawana Brawley accusation, which will cost him his ability to bring light to injustices that need to be highlighted.
His tweet has been deleted so I can't go back and see how it was worded. Like I said earlier, if he said "Cop X did this...", that's fucked up. If he said "She claimed he did this..." then I'm ok with him reporting it. One is stating a claim, one is stating a fact.
Is it standard to investigate an accusation of sexual assault before reporting it? I certainly hope so. Not sure what you want me to say. I believe journalists should make efforts to substantiate allegations before reporting them as fact, regardless of the issue. You can't be a credible source of information if you simply publish based on hearsay, and retract your story every time you get it wrong. In that same vein, local police departments lose their credibility when news outlets report on a prepared statement that is later revealed to misrepresent officer misconduct.
Why can't you just condemn someone for doing something wrong instead of making an excuse for their actions you know are wrong?
I’ll take that into consideration, thanks, but next time give me advice that applies to what I wrote.
Wait....you think Journalist take the time investsigate an arrest made by LE? Or do journalist just write about the report/complaint? Did King just write about a report/complaint? (I missed the story). Let me know which local city you want me to pull articles from. I’m sorry this cop got an inaccurate criminal story written about him. I’m adding him to the line of people with a similar issue so that we may rectify it. He is just behind 962,2727,282 U.S. citizens. We’ll get to him soon.
Both. Can I say that every journalist takes the time to dig into an arrest? No. Do certain journalists catch police departments in a lie through investigative journalism? Yes. I'm also sure that news outlets/ journalists have done pieces based solely on a report/ complaint, but I'd be willing to bet they at least tried to get a statement by law enforcement in response to the allegations, or make FOIA requests for relevant bodycam footage. King wrote a story based off a complaint, about a woman being sexually assaulted by a state trooper, and that she was now being held hostage in a county jail. This whole tangent is spawned from dbl claiming that the trooper should be understanding of King because he was just doing his job; I'd say his job was to at least make an attempt to verify the story. The arrest happened early Sunday morning, he posted his story at 11 A.M. It's just sloppy, and King can act like the victim, but really it's his fault for rushing out serious allegations without doing his homework first. So you're going to use a sardonic, dismissive tone because I happen to think what King did to the trooper was wrong? Can't be objective ITT without becoming a champion for police rights.
Have you read a police blotter in local newspapers, it’s strictly what’s on the police report there’s no attempt to verify with the other side. His account of her being held hostage had to do with her not being released hours after her bond was posted, perhaps he went too far in saying she was held hostage but questioning why someone is not released after bail is posted is not out of line.
It was a sarcastic tone, thank you very much. I'll be googling sardonic later. I stand behind all my points. I think your "current standard" is off-base. I think you are correct in what you want, but to only apply it to King isn't fair. King did what EVERY newspaper in the country does each day - put someone on blast because of an accusation. I'm not talking about big investigative pieces that uncover new findings. I'm talking about the thousands of small articles posted every day based off just complaints/reports. DALTON, GEORGIA MAN HOLDS WIFE AT GUN POINT --fast forward months later and it turns out there was not a gun in the house, no paper retraction--
Every person found not guilty should sue the local newspaper for libel for putting their arrest report in the newspaper. Go ahead and sue the police and DA for arresting and charging them too.
99% of the time there is not an ounce of "investigation" done by papers/journalist in regards to routine arrest reports.
Are you missing the part where king said he talked to a witness or we just tossing that under the rug? Seems to me he did dig into this and not just go off of the headline IMO it’s obvious King was used by this lawyer as a mouthpiece to get more attention to the complaint, once it was determined that the woman made it all up the lawyer came out with what seemed like a pretty sincere apology. Why can’t king? IMO that would make him look a lot better for future cases than to just just ignore this pretend he’s too big for Atleast an apology
I don't think anyone is saying he shouldn't apologize and retract his comments. My issue was you were saying the cop should sue him and that King should be financially responsible. That's a joke. We don't hold police and newspapers to that standard so doing it with him is silly.
actually yes I am lol. But my point stands. If King was lied to by witnesses and reports, he needs to do what EVERY newspaper does when it turns out they wrote an article about a crime/accusation that wasn't true. So what do other papers do, Gibbs? What should King do that the other papers do? Take the salt lake city tribune. When it turns out these guards weren't sleeping, what will the paper do? State inmates with Tasers. Sleeping guards. Report outlines dysfunction at the Daggett County jail before it lost its inmates over concerns of torture and misconduct. https://www.sltrib.com/news/politic...ates-over-concerns-of-torture-and-misconduct/
I think he should. If King posted your full name to his almost 1 million followers accusing you of rape and holding a coworker hostage, claimed he spoke with witnesses to confirm it, then it came out it never happened you’d want compensation as well. Those types of accusations, while false, follow you around the rest of your life. You disagree and think the guy should be understanding....we’ll never agree on this
That's fair. I mean, yeah he did go too far with hostage, but he had cause to question why she hadn't been released. I agree that wouldn't be fair. I suppose my take on journalism is idealistic, I just think it's irresponsible to level serious allegations through media without at least making efforts to contact the accused for a statement, or trying to substantiate the claims.
You realize cops and DA's do this exact same thing every single day, right? Have you ever arrested someone that was found to be not guilty? Did they sue you bc now they have an arrest on their record for the rest of their life even thought they were innocent? That's much much much worse than a tweet.
You are comparing an investigative report from the department of corrections as a source to king going off an email he got from an attorney saying his client said etc etc? I’m glad we can all agree that King should Atleast tuck his tail between his leg and apologize to the officer and his family just like that attorney did. All I’ve stated from the beginning. And I would damn sure hire an attorney to try and get some type of compensation after King blasted my name all over the internet calling me a rapists when I’ve done so such thing, if you think I’d lose that’s fine but I wouldn’t chalk this guy trying to ruin my life as “oh he just got bad information”
I can assure you I haven’t arrested someone and tweeted to 1 million people “Jason Smith is a rapist and held a woman hostage” You comparing thousands of arrests daily that nobody ever hears about to someone tweeting out this one accusation to millions of people is ridiculous
You brought up Reuben Foster earlier. Should he sue every single news outlet that broadcast the allegations against him now that they've been dismissed?
If Peter King made an accusation today that last night Reuben foster held a woman hostage and raped her and Foster had security surveillance proving nothing even close to that happened I damn sure hope foster would sue King
The cops hadn't released the video at the time King made his tweets. He reported what he was told, just like every single news outlet did with Foster. Again, what King did is no different than every news outlet in the country. Someone makes an accusation, it gets reported. You're only upset bc the person on the end of the false accusation this time is a cop. If King had made the accusation against a random person, you wouldn't care one bit.
Of course, that’s like claiming you only are defending player (X) because he plays for Bama. You of course are going to feel different if a player is accused of a crime that plays for your team vs if a university of Florida player gets arrested. Don’t be obtuse. If the person on the other end of this false accusation wasn’t a cop YOU would feel differently
Newspapers report false accusations literally every single day and I've never said they should be sued for reporting them. You're just making that part up to to say "I'm biased? No YOU'RE biased!" It just doesn't work here though.
If a newspaper accused a Bama player of rape and holding a female hostage and clay Travis put gasoline on the fire of this story only to be proven it was all a lie you’d certainly feel differently than if it was a cop It’s ok for you to admit that, you won’t be looked at any different ITT
There is no comparing. I asked you what papers do after it turns out they wrote an article about a criminal accusation that wasn't true. No answer. I then asked you what SLC Tribune would do if that article was false. No answer. You know as much as I do that papers don't retract shit, because they are reporting on what they were told. They do not conduct investigations. They get PCA's or IA Reports, or Witness Statements, and run with it. No repercussions.
It's hilarious that you keep trying to make this some kind of bias thing for me. It's your way of trying to deflect from your own bias with is rather weird but whatever makes you feel better I guess.
News outlets get sued all the time for falsely accusing people, took me two second to find a lawsuit against TMZ for falsely accusing a WU Tang member of cutting his own dick off https://www.google.com/amp/amp.laist.com/amp/articles/create?article_id=56f43617ada6e22ac9d166ab You ask me what the SLC tribune would do if accusations ended up being false in an article they wrote? I would assume they’d write an article about it being false.
I can see you are going the deflection route as opposed to admitting what we all already know, that you’d be biased. Think we all are biased I just didn’t think you couldn’t even admit that
a tad different because they just flat out took the wrong name and assigned it to a rapper, which was based off their own assumptions. i'm talking newspapers that cannot be sued because they did not knowingly put out false info. they were mislead by a report. like my "dalton georgia man" headline above. Papers are immune from suit on something like that. They also rarely write a retraction article is my end point to you. Papers do what King did (run with a story based off a bs report) all the time and the accused never gets closure. shout out to wu tang though: TMZ's April 2014 story initially identified Marques Johnson (known professionally as Andre Roxx) as the artist in question, despite the fact that Johnson was actually in prison at the time. The story was actually about a totally different Wu-Tang Clan-affiliated rapper, albeit one with a similar name. The plaintiff, who was in prison when the story broke, says he was forced to go into protective custody after other inmates began harassing him.
I absolutely admit I'm biased against shitty cops. That has no affect on my statements in this situation. I don't hate cops in general, just the shitty ones. And the fact that you can't point to a single occasion where I've said someone should sue a news outlet over their reporting of false accusations shows that I'm consistent on this subject. The person that made the false accusations should be sued and held responsible, not the news outlet that reported on the accusation. You, on the other hand, have never once claimed someone should sue a news outlet over their reporting false accusations... until now.
I'm also biased against green M&M's. That, like my bias against shitty cops, has no affect on my statements on this issue. You're the one getting upset over something you've never been upset over before bc it's a cop on the other end of it this time.
Nobody was talking about a retraction article, if there is a rape case they cover and it turns out it was false and no charges are to be pursued it gets covered. Was one recently in Miami where these 2 kids were accused of murder and were arrested. *newspaper writes the story of the arrest* Turns out they had alibi’s and charges were dropped and they were released *newspaper writes the story they were falsely accused and released* So their readers got both sides of the story
Because I’m biased, just like you take a different stance in threads about Bama players in trouble vs any other threads...because you are biased
Show me where I've said a Bama player should sue a reporter for reporting accusations that proved to be false.
Can’t do What? I know u need to argue but I can’t do 2 days of arguing with you We are never going to agree on this so let’s stop flooding this thread for 2 days of back and forths
that's our disconnect then....I'm not seeing the 2nd story very often in Tampa area. Props to Miami. Just my office alone has had 3 MTS's and 2 MTD's granted in 2018. I emailed the paper on a few them, no reply. No article. They had no problem running the article when he was arrested. Search gets rule unlawful, nodda.