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Discussion in 'The Mainboard' started by Barves2125, May 28, 2015.
That's awful. That's one of the clearest cases of the police being in the wrong posted on here.
Didn’t click on tweet but I do not believe that case is in court yet so that’s probably just the agency “report” fwiw. The kid’s family can still get justice and the cop’s can stay on payroll to kill another day. Everyone wins!
Right, just saying I'm not shocked a law enforcement agency would find that shooting as justified. They all look out for each other.
Maybe the cop should have let the guy kill whoever he wanted to kill. Oh yeah the cop in this situation didn’t kill anyone.
CORONA (CBSLA) – A shooting involving an off-duty Los Angeles Police Department officer was being investigated Saturday after the officer reportedly fired his gun inside of a Costco Wholesale in Corona Friday, killing one person and injuring three.
Officers were sent to the scene at 7:46 p.m. after receiving calls of an active shooter inside, according to the Corona Police Department.
The news story said two guys got involved in an altercation and one took out a gun and started shooting.
What the hell can go wrong at a Costco that would cause two adults to fight.
I just don’t get it.
Gotta get that last sample or you’ll have to wait 7 minutes for them to make more!!
The off-duty LAPD officer reportedly works in the Southwest Division and shot and killed a man during an altercation after feeling threatened.
Of course he did.
"Did you take the last chicken bake motherfucker?!"
From my understanding, from some people we talked to, there was apparently an argument inside. Some type of argument that ensued into a gun battle,” Lt. Jeff Edwards told reporters
How can it be a gun battle when only one person has a gun?
Probably because the officer thought he could potentially be reaching for a gun and now that’s all it takes to get shot.
With it being at Costco surely we should get video of this one?
person killed was non verbal and intellectually disabled
Wow. That’s terrible.
Apparently the mom is still in a coma as well.
Disabled, nonverbal, unarmed, shopping with his parents in Costco and ends up dead bc an off-duty cop felt the need to carry a gun into Costco and then overreacted to whatever happened.
Debate over kids walking out of stores with items aside, there have been plenty of cases where there was more to the story. I'd have to do looking, but I've seen bystanders recording the police pulling their guns on "innocent" people, while yelling OMG why are you doing this, why are they treating this man like this, he was just walking down the street?!?!?! Then come to find out that guy just shot 2 people or robbed a store or something.
There are plenty of cases where cops over-react. But also cases where their reaction is appropriate. In this particular case, it look like a huge overreaction by that one psycho cop.
What we do know is that these officers were responding to a shoplifting call. So if we accept that they need to assume it’s true these people had been shoplifting (without knowing maybe it was just a doll by the four year old), what’s the justification for this police response?
Based on that, there is no justification for that response ("In this particular case, it look like a huge overreaction by that one psycho cop.")
But to make a general statement that "at the end of the day these incidents seem to boil down to overzealous officers who don’t like having their authority questioned." I don't think is accurate. There are absolutely cases where that's 100% true. But also cases where it's not at all accurate. We should avoid viewing every incident in one light, and, while it's fine to form an opinion on first glance, understand that there could be more to the story that we do not know.
Was the Costco shooter arrested? I've seen conflicting reports.
Doesn’t appear he was arrested. Just went to the hospital and then was released.
I'm sure if I shot 3 unarmed people, the police would let me go too.
Stay classy Topeka PD.
It appears that the shooter was the off duty cop. I originally thought two guys got into an argument one pulled out a gun and an off duty cop saw that and pulled his weapon. But, it appears the off duty cop was one of the original 2 that got into the argument and killed one and shot 2 others.
Oh I know he was an off duty cop, still gonna keep referring to him as the Costco shooter.
Yeah, I was just saying what I originally thought. It’s outrageous that he is free.
Apparenrly the two others were the disabled guys parents
Probably shot them while they were trying to protect their dying, disabled, confused son
There must be video of the whole thing, right?
We can only hope that Costco has good store surveillance.
well , well I see your quality of staff is sex o ------- quality 941 ?
u know the report ill strap a lie detector on for ?
How is Sharon?
Yeah I can’t imagine Costco not having the surveillance to capture it
considering I stood in her blood from the pick line in her artery this morning with my knees locked in the bed so I did,nt pass out .
all is good , 50-50 on being blind .
thanks for asking ..
she went to moffit got a second opion from doctor sam .
got home .
had a hemoragic stroke due to a tumor on her brain .
they ( dr .rosen ) took the tumor out .
only problem is , the tumor was in the optical bad spot .
all doctors are top notch , I feel very fortunate just to have Sharon .
hope you all are doing good .
see you at football time .
I'm sorry to hear that my man. We are all rooting for her and you. Nothing but the best wishes from all of TMB.
room 11817 advent south , ginsburge tower .
Apparently there aren't a lot of security cameras in Costco - they have the lowest level of "shrink" (theft) in the retail industry.
I noticed that there was a lot of attention paid to the fact that the off-duty officer was holding his child during the shooting, it was pretty consistently mentioned in almost every news article I saw. If there isn't a narrative already in place about the baby being in danger, there is one being formed now.
I noticed the same. Every single story mentioned it.
Seems like the cameras would be better served to prevent liability issues.
I had never heard of this one so I googled it. The police department review found it justifiable. The US Attorney's Office investigated it to determine whether or not it violated federal civil rights laws and declined to prosecute. Lastly, the jury in the civil suit found neither the city nor the police liable.
Does this example really help create a genuine discussion? Or is it just stoking the flames and creating a false narrative?
Wait what? Link to story?
From the US Attorney's Office
At approximately 5:25 a.m., Life Aid received a second call from Mr. Chamberlain, who stated, “I have the White Plains Police Department banging on my door and I did not call them, and I am not sick.” Life Aid attempted to cancel the dispatch, but the WPPD dispatcher informed Life Aid that the police officers needed to enter the apartment to make sure Mr. Chamberlain was not in distress. The Life Aid operator stayed on the line for approximately 40 minutes while also attempting to contact Mr. Chamberlain’s sister. Because Life Aid records its calls, there are audio recordings of Mr. Chamberlain’s conversations with the police officers from 5:25 a.m. until approximately 6:08 a.m., when the Life Aid call ended in order to allow Mr. Chamberlain’s sister to call the home phone. During that time period, the recordings captured the near constant communications between the police officers trying to enter the apartment and Mr. Chamberlain, who refused to open the door. For example, the recordings show that the officers at the door repeatedly told Mr. Chamberlain that they could not leave until they could see him and make sure he was “okay,” and Mr. Chamberlain responded that he was “okay” and “fine,” but also cursed at the officers, and at one point said he would “kill” whoever came through the door.
Between 5:30 a.m. and 6:00 a.m., the police officers worked with various tools to pry open the apartment door. While they were trying to open the door, Mr. Chamberlain poked a kitchen knife through the door opening. Officer Carelli grabbed the knife with bolt cutters and tossed it out of reach. While the officers were trying to open the door, Life Aid was able to reach Mr. Chamberlain’s sister, who spoke to Officer Carelli on a cell phone. As captured on the Life Aid recording, Mr. Chamberlain’s sister informed Officer Carelli that Mr. Chamberlain had a “mental problem,” and Officer Carelli responded that the officers wanted to enter the apartment to make sure Mr. Chamberlain was “okay.” The recording also indicates that as the officers continued to try to open the door, Mr. Chamberlain became increasingly agitated; he at times threatened the officers; and he told the Life Aid operator that he had a weapon. Throughout this time period, the officers continued to explain that they were not there to hurt him, but just wanted to see him to make sure he was fine before they could leave. While one of the officers was alleged to have used a racial slur in communicating with Mr. Chamberlain, that officer was not involved in the shooting, and none of the other officers present heard the use of such a slur.
At some point between 6:13 a.m. and 6:29 a.m., one of the officers kicked the apartment door open. At the time this occurred, Sergeant Fottrell had turned on his Taser, which automatically activated the video recording device on the Taser. As seen on the video recorded by Sergeant Fottrell’s Taser, Mr. Chamberlain was standing about six to seven feet from the doorway when the door was opened and there appeared to be an object in his right hand. According to all four officers who entered the apartment, the object in Mr. Chamberlain’s right hand was a knife. The Taser also recorded Sergeant Fottrell instructing Mr. Chamberlain to “put the knife down” and Mr. Chamberlain responding “shoot me, come on motherfucker, shoot me.” Sergeant Fottrell deployed his Taser twice from the hallway. After the second Taser was deployed, the Taser automatically ceased recording. The Tasers failed to incapacitate Mr. Chamberlain, as only one of the two barbs fired from the weapon connected with Mr. Chamberlain’s body. After the Tasers were deployed, one of the officers fired non-lethal beanbag ammunition rounds, striking Mr. Chamberlain in his chest and thigh. The non-lethal rounds did not incapacitate Mr. Chamberlain and he started to advance toward Sergeant Martin with the knife. At that point, Officer Carelli shot his pistol twice from inside the doorway. One of the bullets shot by Officer Carelli hit Mr. Chamberlain and fatally wounded him. Once Mr. Chamberlain fell to the ground, Officer Steven Demchuk used his baton to strike Mr. Chamberlain’s wrist to make him drop the knife. The autopsy report indicates that Mr. Chamberlain’s death was caused by the bullet shot by Officer Carelli.