"Everybody deserves a second chance," Owens Cross Roads Police Chief Jason Dobbins told WHNT, adding that, "Justice is blind." The problem is this officer clearly isn't. That's just disgusting to hire him. Any LGBTQ in that area should be livid.
It's all a matter of the story dying down, and then quietly rehiring. I'm still so angry that sociopath Phil Brailsford got rehired so that he could claim PTSD and get a bigger monthly pension check. Mesa PD has zero integrity, and I can only imagine how Shaver's family feels now that Brailsford is basically being rewarded for executing an unarmed man.
Shocking they charged her with a bunch of bullshit and the cops are being backed by the mayor and nothing happened to them. She should have fought this, it isn't illegal to curse at cops. https://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/new...oman-Arrested-Beach-New-Jersey-483819841.html
This article doesn't really help her cause tough. Confirms she was breaking the law by possessing alcohol underage then she refused to identify herself and resisted arrest. Still the cop shouldn't have punched her though.
I grew up with the guy in the first video, his dad was the Sheriff in our county until he took a job in d.c. with homeland security.
Call me tough guy, whatever, but I'd have a hard time standing by watching a guy beat on her head like that, cop or not. Of course he'd probably shoot me bc he "feared for his life" but it's cool for him to jump a small female and beat her head in bc he has a badge and he got offended that she didnt obey his orders. Fuck that cocksucker. He needs his ass whipped.
This is really disturbing to watch. Yes the guy stole a car, he ran, he was a meth head, but he definitley didn't deserve to have his face literally torn from his skull by a dog. Balli is suing Phoenix PD for 2 million. Officers claimed that Balli started fighting the K9 while being apprehended, video doesn't really support that. The K9 just latches on to his face right from the get-go. NSFW video Helicopter footage. News article. https://www.azfamily.com/news/man-p...bf4d3d0a-a435-11e9-a5fb-cb311649e33f.amp.html
Honestly though, you see a guy with half his face ripped off, a dog latched on and pulling on his arm, and you're gonna yell "get on your stomach" over and over? Would love to know what kind of person has any presence of mind to follow directions in that fucking situation.
It blows my mind every time I see it. Like 2 cops pinning a guy down while a 3rd cop with his gun drawn yells - get on your back! That, and cops yelling contradictory commands. Get Down, get down, now!!! Don't you fucking move, show me your hands!!! ehhhh Do they actually train to shout commands that cannot be complied with?? Semi-serious question, because that then gives cops the ability to later say the subject was not complying with simple commands, and that warranted escalation of whatever. It kind of gives them good, demonstrable justification for whatever fucked up things they do during the arrest.
Why did they use the k9? In the second video it looks like the k9 needed the help of the cop to figure out where the guy was.
No. I don’t think you realize how stressful these situations are for the cops as well. They’re humans too and will make mistakes and dumb decisions when their heart rate is up and the adrenaline is pumping.
I get that. But that's what they sign up for, are trained for, and pledge to do. It's not like we are picking people at random and forcing them to be cops. if that's the job you choose to do, you have to be able to do it. I'm human, oops I made a mistake and a dumb decision gets innocent people killed. or faces ripped off. Reason #84 that cops who prove that they cannot handle these situations should go find another line of work, and should never be cops again.
Do you really not understand why this is unreasonable? I'm sure every cop wants to make the right decisions, but just because you're trained to do something doesn't mean you're going to be perfect when doing it. Tom Brady is arguably the greatest QB of all time but he still misses 36% of his passes. And his job is nowhere near as stressful as one where you have to worry you could get shot at any moment. It would be great if people like dblplay1212 who never make mistakes would strap on their boots and do the job for us. Until then we really don't have an option but to hire people who may make mistakes.
I make plenty of mistakes at work. I'm held accountable when I do though and my mistakes don't even cause people to die. I've never said cops should be perfect. That's not reasonable. Mistakes are going to happen. My issue is with the lack of accountability for cops.
Except you want police fired and put in jail for a mistake. i'm guessing that's never happened when you make a mistake at your work? That's why you've never been able to have a rational conversation on this subject. You can't admit that there is no comparison between the work you do and the work the police perform every day.
Me too. You know what else? If someone in my field is acting in an unethical, reckless and/or dangerous way, it's often peers/colleagues that raise the flag. Unheard of in Police culture. Rule #1 is cover each other's asses
There are different levels of mistakes. My mistakes have never caused someone to die. If we're talking a "He forgot to sign this page in his paperwork for the day" type of mistake, then no, they shouldn't be fired. If it's a "He shot an unarmed man" or a "He beat the shit out of this teenage girl bc she didn't follow his orders" kind of mistake, yes he should be fired. It's a hard job. I've never said it wasn't. Somehow the majority of them do it quite well. Knowing that, I think it's really fucking stupid to use "IT'S A HARD JOB!" as an excuse when some do it very poorly.
Because it's literally impossible for you to ever encounter a situation where someone could die from your mistake. That's what's so frustrating in this discussion with you. You genuinely don't understand how that makes your "Well i'm held accountable for my mistakes at work" sound ignorant. It's the equivalent of when the republicans argue, "Well I worked my way through college." Sure, you waited a few tables to buy your weed money while your parents paid for your tuition, car and housing. That's in no way comparable to the single mom trying to put herself through nursing school while working a full time gig with no support from her poverty stricken family. I just don't know how you believe you're ever going to attract a high quality candidate when your expectation is one mistake will lead to the end not only your employment opportunities for a lifetime and inability to ever provide for your family but with jail time.
Man, in the heat of a split second, I'd love to see all of you maintain a cool head and not mock a gay teen's suicide
In before dblplay1212 likes this post without realizing it's a strawman argument. No one here is defending police when people do stupid things like that.
Here's my point: it's a little hard to watch police suffer no consequence from split second errors in life and death situations when they suffer no consequence for completely indefensible bullshit/antisocial behavior. There is no culture of internal accountability in police forces.
Saying "one mistake" without acknowledging there's a difference in levels of mistakes is beyond dumb. Nobody is saying they aren't allowed to make mistakes. Shooting unarmed people? No, that's not a mistake that should be allowed. That's not an oopsie. Look, my mistakes at work can't cost someone their life. They can cost someone a ton of money though. If my mistake cost someone $1k, the company slaps my hand and eats it. If my mistake costs someone $100k, the company is most likely firing me for it. If my mistake involves financial fraud, I'm getting fired and I'm going to jail. Minor mistakes happen. Major mistakes should not be tolerated. That goes for every job on the planet.
Why don't we do what rational people do and meet in the middle? Let's agree to hold police more accountable for their bullshit/antisocial behavior and be less vindictive in our calls for punishment for the split second errors?
I think that probably means an internal culture of accountability, so I'm in. But if that truly existed, I think you'd find fewer officers bending their statements to exonerate their buddies, and a more officers going down for excessive use of force as a result.
Honestly how do you justify making such a blanket statement? How many decisions do you make at work that you must make in a split second where your life is at risk? You still can't comprehend how irrational it is to compare your job to the job of police.
I wish I had a solution to fix the internal culture. If you have one I'll be glad to support it. The only thing I can think of is to hire better candidates, but like I said with the current climate I don't know why anyone with any real opportunities in life would take the job.
I think you underestimate how many people do incredibly stupid things in the presence of police. My first interaction with a suspect, or a traffic stop or whatever is introducing myself and saying "without reaching for it, do you have a weapon/ID and where would it be located? Over 50% immediately reach for it. Open carry DBags that call the police and then walk out to your cruiser when you show up. People that bring out toy guns while youre in their house. I'm 100% happy most of the shitheads get punished when they are turds and its not a mistake. Frankly I'm shocked there arent more accidental shootings. Two nights ago I encountered a guy running in the middle of the street high on Flakka. Just me and him. He doesnt follow any instructions and at one point looks me dead in the eye and says "for your safety you need to call for backup now." He then reaches into his pocket and starts digging around. How do you handle that?
A cop should not shoot an unarmed person. It's really fucking easy to say that. Stop making excuses for them. If they can't handle the job, they should be fired. If they do it so poorly that someone dies, they should be held accountable.
Taser, I guess. Maybe tackle him and subdue him. Or maybe even retreat and wait for backup, assuming there was space to do so. I don't kill them. That much I'm certain of.
I didn't kill him. I did fight him. Up to that point he didn't commit a crime, except running in the street, so going hands on is frowned upon. I didn't know if it as mental, drugs or diabetes. And you pretty much never use a taser unless there is another officer there. The guy was not following any commands at all, was incoherent except for him telling me to call for help. Then he starts digging in his pockets. Wait to see what he pulls out? He told me I'm in danger and he is not complying I think if you put yourself in the situations im talking about you can see how things can get fucked up in a non sterile setting.
I assumed he had committed a crime when I replied. If I put myself in that situation and he hadn't committed a crime, I would have left him the fuck alone and gone about my business. Cops seem to have a hard time doing that though.
I'd need to know more about the situation to really give my opinion. Minding his own business walking down the street high? Cool. Running and yelling in the middle of a busy street while yelling Satin is chasing him? I'm ok with checking in on that guy,
He was running in the middle of a main street when a sidewalk was available at 2am in a bad area. You detain and ID for that. He also had no shoes on and had something obviously wrong with him. That's all I had when I drove up to him. first thing I wanted to do was pat him down for weapons. He backs away and grabs his pocket, which usually means gun.
Sounds like William Barr got personally involved in the Eric Garner case and overruled his own DOJ prosecutors. Charges aren't going to be brought against Garner's killer.
Completely justified. The punishment for a person selling single cigarettes while black should be death.
Split second errors like shooting unarmed people of color? Rational people, huh, that’s not some serious dog whistling at all.
I get it why you’re upset but if you refuse to think with your head and not your heart we are never going to get better police.
Let’s see, both my head and my heart thinks that shooting unarmed people, and as we know mostly people of color, should be punished. But I get it rac rational people don’t mine a few unarmed blacks and browns getting shot every now and then.
This is such a straw man. What do you think you’re accomplishing by arguing like this ? You’re literally the epitome of what people accuse me of being.