we know what causes crime. address it. keep shrinking the violent response teams needed until you can fit them in one cubicle.
I lead what most would consider a lonely life in normal times. With the coronavirus shutdown that became even more the case. So for the first time in nearly three months I got to be around a bunch of people with similar interests and it was very cathartic. Last week's march was pretty small. And music festivals, football/basketball games and concerts, etc don't give you the same sense of community. The number of young people was also really inspiring. I met a group of three students from CSU Northridge who drove up just for this. It would have been a fun experience being around all these people and releasing some steam in a Wal-Mart parking lot. But doing so on one of the most iconic structures on the planet made it really cool. I think we ultimately shut it down for at least a few hours which was pretty sweet Spoiler
That's not something that happens overnight. I'm all for diverting money from police to programs that will reduce crime long term. I'm not ok with saying a mayor should be voted out bc he won't abolish the police dept tomorrow. We need police*. We need programs that will help cut crime by making crime a necessity for less people. Both can be true. *completely overhauled and there to serve opposed to "dominating"
i'm going to leave this argument because wanting someone to advocate for the same aspirational goal is what she wanted, the mayor doesn't want something he deems radical on video even if supports the majority of the mechanisms the former desires, the community he was addressing thought that wasn't good enough this is all fine. also justice delayed is just denied etc. you seem to just be upset by the verbiage.
If it's framed as "Let's work toward a better society where we need less police", I think a lot of people would agree. When it's "We don't want police, abolish them." it has a completely different tone and I think few would support that.
i'll let you go tell the people in the communities getting terrorized by police that getting the cops out of their communities first is too radical, they need to deal with getting terrorized for a while longer while those in power figure it all out in who knows how long
dbl you're arguing about what someone is saying and i'm explaining to you why it's not radical from their perspective and sure, make them turn in their guns and we'll let them operate as just peace officers. gotta have bodies to respond to the 90% of non-violent calls and i don't think we have the social worker surplus to fill that right away. but i'm also lil white rich guy who has never interacted with the police in any way, because that's how the system works
by far the best chant I heard today was "fuck your bike ride" being directed toward a group of upset cyclists coming from the Marin side who were pleading with Hwy Patrol officers to clear a path for them
dbl treating political discussions as if you're arguing about whether AJ McCarron is a good QB or not will always make me smile. its like southern Ben Shapiro rhetorical battles.
I'm jealous. I''ve sat here like a feckless cunt writing emails to politicians. I can't even call most politicians because their lines aren't open due to COVID.
ofc those guys! I was actually going to Marin today and when we heard about the protest we were more then glad to cancel that trip, looked awesome! Glad you went !
Why have exactly zero videos of police arresting a fellow police officer for breaking the law in front of them ever surfaced? Have I just missed them? I can’t stop thinking about this.
i didn't watch the video because i genuinely dont care about these lame aesthetic pundit arguments but go off king. i'll stay answering on substance.
maybe suck my dick and go back to chiding people who care like a year or two ago on here. i filled in the substance that is literally on the policy pages of local advocacy groups, what is it you did.
I heartily endorse this When I was a member of the CSIS softball team in the think tank league, we hated Cato and AEI with a passion
Like, why can’t just one of these supposed “good cops” arrest the bad cop right there on the spot for beating or hurting a peaceful protester? I mean, draw your fucking firearm, or tackle them to the ground, or put them in cuffs or something. You just witnessed a crime and stood there and did nothing. I know this is all rhetorical, becuse when you play it through, that “good cop” gets ostracized. We know the story. hence: the problem. @jackparkman
What she said didn't line up with what most mean by "defund the police." If you had watched the video, you would have known that.
Serious hypothetical question. If a city was to "abolish the police," as some chant, what is the replacement? And who would control that?
I kinda feel that she did this wrong. The White House is on the right, so if Drumpf looks up the street he'll just see a jumble of letters on their sides. If she'd had them write B L A C K L I V E S M A T T E R he could at least read it if he were inclined to do so. Plus, if you're looking at an overhead pic from high above or even space, the White house facades face north and south, not east and west like in that photo implies (in the photo, east is actually at the top, and north is to the left). but that's just me
Most don't think they should be abolished, just way scaled back. https://www.vox.com/platform/amp/2020/6/3/21276824/defund-police-divest-explainer The basic idea, though, is less that policing budgets should be literally zeroed out than that there should be a massive restructuring of public spending priorities.
after watching the video he should have said yes, easily. she asked if he'd defund the police which has been a turn of phrase used locally for a while. he was the one who said abolish and his hemming led to her saying she wanted cops out of her community (which is fair! the non-asked for presence of cops largely just causes problems with the way cops currently work) https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2020/06/would-defunding-police-make-us-safer/612766/
Openly ranting. These ideas might suck. Most cops should not carry firearms. You should have to rise to a certain rank before you get that privilege. The training needs to be far longer and more comprehensive. Diversity courses are a must. If you get a complaint against you that’s ruled as legitimate by a non-police force panel, the offending cop should have to pay restitution and be lowered in rank, pay and weapon allowance. Being dismissed for misconduct should result in a show-cause like penalty.
I wouldn’t say the cops have been good in these communities so why should they want a group of people around them that just increases the likelihood they die
people get weird because addressing most problems in the US requires addressing a BUNCH of issues because we're so backwards. fixing policing and crime involves addressing like a dozen other issues (education, safety nets, housing, etc etc). fixing healthcare in the us requires addressing like a dozen other things that most people don't even think are related.
That doesn't answer the question. So X community is identified as unfairly targeted by cops, and it is selected as being a no go zone for police, what happens when a crime is committed, say domestic violence? I'm trying to understand the legit alternatives, because to me it sounds like anarchy
I don't think many here would disagree with cutting funding to police and scaling way back. Its when it moves to abolishing police, which some do argue, that a lot of people pause.
read the policy outlines people have posted in the thread like a page ago it doesn't mean no one answers when you call, it doesn't mean theres zero armed response available (except in the fully automated luxury gay space communism end game)
Agree with all of this but torn on the gun piece, only bc we have such a gun issue in the counrty and it's hard to ask even the best cop to approach someone committing a crime without a gun bc its very possible the person committing the crime has a gun themselves. In a perfect world we'd ban guns and in 20 years they'd be rare on the streets and then I'd be all for cops not carrying guns. Without that, its hard for me to tell a cop to stop a crime in process while not armed.
I think if say only 10% of cops were armed with guns, you’d see the “blue community” all of a sudden favor buy backs and stricter gun laws