Bad Police Thread - where calling the police is a gamble

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  1. Lyrtch

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    reminder, the person mowing your lawn or collecting your garbage is more in danger than a cop is

    you could optimize the cops carrying to the calls with the highest probability of need and it'd lead to huge safety increases . the vast vast majority of calls are non-violent.
     
  2. Blu Tang Clan

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    I think “abolishing police” is probably better said as “abolishing police in their current form.” There needs to be something so things don’t go Wild West, but law enforcement needs to be filled with serious people who understand the purpose of the profession, not juiced-up, C- high school graduates who want to hit people because their high school sports career ended.
     
  3. Lyrtch

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  4. jorge

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  5. Blu Tang Clan

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    Maybe have each team that goes out have one qualified officer with a firearm? Or have an armed officer in backup to assist?
     
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  6. dblplay1212

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    Agree completely. But some do argue completely abolishing police though so there's some grey area in the phrase "defund the police." The Vox article i posted earlier touches in it.
     
  7. dblplay1212

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    Idk what the answer is. The gun problem in the US is a major issue.
     
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  8. Blu Tang Clan

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    Emotion vs. practicality IMO. I’d focus less energy on the former.
     
  9. Blu Tang Clan

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    It’s a huge wart on this country. I simply do not understand gun nuts.
     
  10. ground mullet

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    We are at 300+ pages, shit gets skipped. You are saying not abolished, but effectively decriminalizing some lower level complaints, or suggesting cops reply to some complaints under a certain crime threshold without being armed? I don't see that as realistic. Pretty much everyone who calls the cops is expecting a cop and not a crossing guard
     
  11. dblplay1212

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  12. racer

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    I think a positive step would be to convert a lot of officer positions to unarmed specialists. Mental health, drug, noise, all that shit can be handled unarmed. Give them training in de-escalation and proper unarmed self defense. They’d still access to backup if things get legitimately dangerous.

    Also polos Ave khakis. Jeans on the weekends.

    And Priuses.

    also, this may be a copy of something already posted. I have not kept up.
     
  13. cutig

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    How about stop buying military equipment and training them like soldiers for starters?
     
  14. duc15

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    not every cop needs a gun. 90% of calls are non-violent. There should be a different portion of the police that would respond to say a call with a person who has mental health issues. A cop showing up to that situation with guns drawn is the opposite of how it should be handled.
     
  15. pperc

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    You cannot have the cop who thinks he was assaulted days ago go and arrest her. What the fuck?!
     
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  16. ground mullet

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    If you have a 911 for cops, and 069 for crisis managers, guess which one is going to be called first
     
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  17. Lyrtch

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    if you get in a car accident do you need an armed cop?

    if someone stole something from your store but is long gone do you need a cop with a gun to show up?

    domestic disputes do NOT need police being the first line response

    do you need a cop with a gun to show up to a noise complaint?

    what about a mental health call?

    does someone working traffic duty need to be carrying a gun?

    on and on and on, this is mostly what cops do, armed robberies, shootouts, etc are an insane minority
     
  18. Blu Tang Clan

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  19. dblplay1212

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    Agree with that. I guess my only pause is they never know who does or does not have a gun bc of 2A. Even something like a traffic stop has the small chance of turning ugly with the guy being pulled over having a gun. But hell in 2020 most traffic stuff could be handled by cameras. Pulling people over for a taillight is a joke. Cameras can see how fast you are going. That alone would cut down on the amount of interactions police would have.
     
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  20. BudKilmer

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    90% is generous. Stuff I’ve read recently and a pod I listened to have said 95% of all arrests are for non violent stuff.


    we also need to increase training exponentially and take all that money we use for guns, Sonar Weapons and Tanks and use it to boost pay, Creating a higher caliber of applicant.
     
  21. ground mullet

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    You are advocating for some Trump like Crisis Management Force. CMF! Right behind the Space Force!
     
  22. Blu Tang Clan

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    Paying better candidates more would absolutely make things better.
     
  23. Upton^2

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  24. DirtBall

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    Outlaw Fucking guns. Answer.
     
  25. ground mullet

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    Call 911, "hit pound 1# if you need an armed officer, #2 if you do not"
     
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  26. ground mullet

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    Lyrtch, not saying you are completely wrong. The devil is in the details
     
  27. dblplay1212

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  29. Lyrtch

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    they already triage whether you need an officer visit at all, they can add a tiny bit of nuance for the 911 operators
     
  30. Shawn Hunter

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    Karen’s will always press 1 though
     
  31. Cornfed Buffalo

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  33. Kirk Fogg

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    Mental Health response is a must
     
  34. dblplay1212

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  35. cutig

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    I get why you're doing what you're doing but this is just fucking stupid. Stop it
     
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  36. Shawn Hunter

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    :pffft:
     
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  37. jorge

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    tbh letting people choose an armed response probably puts us in the same position. i can only imagine the calls to break up a bbq. Thats definitely an obstacle that needs to be addressed.
     
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  38. cutig

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    Are you serious? You actually think the option being presented is to let people choose an armed response?
     
  39. Bruce Bowen

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    No need to post nameless comments with zero likes/retweets. Leave them in the void.
     
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  40. Lyrtch

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    that complaint gets someone armed with a pen
     
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  41. Handcuffed

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    are you sure this was a serious question? because here's what you posted within the last hour.

    it doesn't seem like you were posting to learn anything about the concept and you had zero interest in understanding it. you just wanted to post some bullshit about your thoughts on what happen if police go away. gtfo.
     
  42. Mister Me Too

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    Currently if you call 911 they ask you “what’s your emergency”, they can continue to do the same and the 911 operator can determine what’s necessary, which is something they already do.
     
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  43. BellottiBold

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    lol imagine knowing you have a degree from an institution that invited that piece of shit to give a commencement address

    Anyway,
    I definitely worry at the thought of the vacuum left behind if police just go away (the resulting boosting of other response mechanisms and services as a result of the diversion of funding only results in so much of said gap being filled I imagine) but this moment is not about that. This moment is about recognizing that the current system is far more broken than most of us have been forced to realize. So broken in fact, that it isn't worth saving.
     
  44. jorge

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    no that’s not what I think at all? Some one else said that and I was replying
     
  45. afb

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  46. kinghill

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    They don't want any police dept? Like at all? How would that work?

    I'm not arguing I'm just asking how would things work if there were no police dept
     
  47. ohhaithur

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    :laugh: