That's your comparison? Wouldn't you tell a loan guy that you were in the business if you were talking to a loan guy? It's just something people do. It's also smart to do in a situation like that so everyone knows what's going on. Irrelevant. NoleNBlue Also: However, the case received new life when State Attorney R.J. Larizza (the state attorney for St. Johns, Flagler, Putnam and Volusia counties) asked Scott to appoint a new investigator after a new witness affidavit was brought to his attention. In the affidavit, Danny Harmon says he is the former owner of The Ring of Fire bar on Anastasia Boulevard. He says that Banks was a frequent customer and was often asked to leave because of excessive drinking and “rowdy” behavior. Harmon says Banks visited the bar the day after O’Connell’s death and he heard Banks say: “That [expletive deleted] got what she deserved.” And: “All she did was make me feel bad. I am not going to let her ruin my life.”
http://www.cnn.com/2015/11/06/us/louisiana-child-shooting-officers-arrested/index.html Police footage will almost assuredly get released, but does anyone really wanna watch this?
https://www.facebook.com/pohpolost/?fref=nf https://www.facebook.com/SiSupoliisilaitos/videos/568852736600826/
i'm not gonna watch that whole thing. But is that standard of rationality really applied to someone that finds a loved one dead?
Double and I were discussing 2 things at once. I thought the moment of clarity when he said "let me tell you the truth..." was telling. Double thought him even mentioning that he was a cop was weird, but I disagree with that.
cool. aren't you a law type person though? if so, could you give some insight towards a general situation? i know that there are times when the burden of proof (if i'm not using that term correctly) are what a reasonable or rational person do. how much deviance from that standard is there in cases where a typical person probably wouldn't be at their most reasonable or rational?
Yea that cop will be fired. The one that felt the need tot taze and then beat with a baton when there were 6 officers there to handle an unarmed civilian should be, too.
thought I was still in the NBA thread still and was clicking on another video of a drunk guy heckling Dwight howard.. that was pretty intense relative to what I was expecting odds say they'll be involved in exponentially less similar situations than the cop(s) there.. so the better question is do you think he/they will handle themselves better next time?
The deviance should swing with the circumstances. A reasonable person in his shoes would have done x, y, z. A reasonable person standard can be a question the jury is faced with, judge, cops, prosecutor, etc. You see it a lot in negligence cases. Self-defense cases. Sorry, if that doesn't answer your question.
it almost does, i think. couple of questions 1) reasonable person is dependent upon the circumstances 2) what is reasonable is up to the person asked what is reasonable.
It has to be dependent on those exact circumstances. Would a reasonable person in George Zimmerman's shoes have a reasonable fear of harm/death from Trayvon? Now you take into account injuries, how violent Trayvon was, and how much of a bitch Zimmerman was (they literally had a mma instructor come in to say how big of a bitch he was). What is reasonable is how society views the person should have acted/felt.
Cop gets pulled into apartment of a bunch of drunks, better believe his partners will come in ready to fight.
Person The so-called reasonable person in the law of negligence is a creation of legal fiction. Such a "person" is really an ideal, focusing on how a typical person, with ordinary prudence, would act in certain circumstances. The test as to whether a person has acted as a reasonable person is an objective one, and so it does not take into account the specific abilities of a defendant. Thus, even a person who has low intelligence or is chronically careless is held to the same standard as a more careful person or a person of higher intelligence. A jury generally decides whether a defendant has acted as a reasonable person would have acted. In making this decision, the jury generally considers the defendant's conduct in light of what the defendant actually knows, has experienced, or has perceived.
Rancher’s wife: ‘I saw them murder my husband’ BOISE, IDAHO The family of an Adams County rancher involved in an encounter with two sheriff’s deputies says the deputies killed him in a “completely unjustified” shooting. Survivors of Jack Yantis, the 62-year-old who died a week ago in the darkness on U.S. 95 north of Council, say they will pursue claims against Adams County for Yantis’ death. Family members have shared with the Statesman their account of what happened last Sunday night. The account is in written statements prepared with attorneys the family hired after the incident, a video statement Donna Yantis made from her Boise hospital bed, and a draft transcript the lawyers prepared of one family member’s account of what happened. The Statesman also interviewed several family members, including Rowdy Paradis, a nephew of the couple’s who said he witnessed the shootings. “Law enforcement should be trained to de-escalate situations,” said Rowdy Paradis. “In this case, I stood 10 feet away and watched two deputies escalate the situation and needlessly kill a man.” Sheriff Ryan Zollman did not respond Saturday to an emailed request for comment on the family’s account or to a message left with a sheriff’s dispatcher. Here is what the family says happened on Nov. 1: A PHONE CALL AT DINNER The Yantises, Paradis (pronounced PAR-a-dis) and a family friend, Joe Rumsey, were finishing dinner about 6:45 p.m. Sunday in the Yantises’ home near milepost 142 of U.S. 95, about 6 miles north of Council. THEY HAD BEEN TOGETHER SINCE THEY WERE LITTLE KIDS. THIS WAS THEIR DREAM. I MEAN, HE CUT LOGS FOR 20 YEARS TO PAY FOR THIS PLACE. Nephew Rowdy Paradis on Jack and Donna Yantis and their ranch An Adams County Sheriff’s Office dispatcher called. One of the family’s bulls had just been hit by a car on the highway, and the Yantises needed to go take care of it. In rural open range, collisions between vehicles and livestock are not uncommon. Ranchers often must put down the injured animals. Jack Yantis had unfortunately done it before. Yantis had raised and tamed the 2,500-pound black Gelbvieh bull, similar to an Angus, named Keiford. Its rear leg was shattered by the collision with a Subaru station wagon. The bull started charging people at the crash scene. Paradis walked down to check out the situation. The injured bull had made its way back to the driveway and was lying in the grass. “He knew he was home,” Paradis said. “He was hurt. But he is still an Angus bull on the fight.” DEPUTIES SHOOT BULL Jack Yantis told Paradis to get a rifle, the family’s skid-steer loader (a small front-end loader) and a chain. Paradis in turn asked his aunt to the get the family’s .204-caliber rifle and bring it to the road. Yantis took a small all-terrain vehicle, in this case a four-wheeler, down the driveway and parked it on the highway facing the animal. JACK WENT TO THE END OF THE DRIVEWAY TO END THE BULL’S LIFE AND PROTECT ANYONE FROM GETTING HURT, INCLUDING THE VERY DEPUTIES WHO SHOT AND KILLED HIM. Donna Yantis, widow While Paradis was getting the skid loader, the deputies started shooting at the bull. At least one of them had a semiautomatic rifle, perhaps an AR-15, an adaptation of the military M16. “They opened up with their pistols and their M16s ... before Jack got there,” Paradis said. “That’s an inhumane deal. ... This is a 2-ton Angus bull that’s pissed off, he’s hurt and psychotic. ... It was blazing down there and it sounded like World War III on this bull, because they got him charging at everyone again.” Paradis drove the skid loader down the driveway and parked on the highway. The bull was lying on the pavement. Donna Yantis had walked the rifle to her husband. Jack Yantis was standing about 4 feet from the bull, aiming the rifle at the back of the bull’s head. His back was to the two deputies, who were standing in the far lane facing each other as if they were having a conversation. “I put the (skid loader’s) lights on him and the bull, and he lined up to shoot the bull in the back of head and put him out humanely,” Paradis said. DEPUTIES SHOOT YANTIS The rifle’s barrel was about 2 feet from the bull, and Jack Yantis’ finger was on the trigger. “Everything was going as planned. … I did not notice any conversation at all” between Jack Yantis and the deputies, Paradis said. “Then the one cop turned around and grabbed his shoulder and jerked him backwards.” The deputy came from behind, spun Yantis around and grabbed the rifle’s scope, Paradis said. The deputy pushed Yantis. The rifle was still in Yantis’ hands, its barrel pointed at the ground. Yantis was trying to regain his footing. Paradis said he does not know whether the rifle fired, but he thinks it might have discharged accidentally when the deputy grabbed Yantis and spun him, or when one of the deputy’s bullets pierced Yantis’ hand holding the rifle, hitting the gun and damaging it. One deputy began shooting at Yantis, then the other deputy started shooting. HANDCUFFS AND A HEART ATTACK Donna Yantis said she and Paradis screamed at the deputies to stop. Shot in the chest and abdomen, Jack Yantis fell to the ground. Neither deputy went to check on him. Paradis and Donna Yantis started running toward him. “And then they threatened me and my nephew ... threw us on the middle of Highway 95, searched us and handcuffed us, and wouldn’t let us go take care of Jack,” Donna Yantis said. Paradis said one deputy pointed his gun at Paradis’ head. Donna Yantis had a heart attack. Some time later, she was taken by ambulance to Midvale and then by helicopter to Saint Alphonsus Regional Medical Center in Boise, where she remained hospitalized Saturday. Rumsey, the family friend at dinner, had been near the wrecked car when the shooting started and ran toward Jack. The deputies handcuffed him, too. ‘IT WAS A SENSELESS MURDER’ One deputy said he had been grazed by a bullet, Rumsey said. “I asked him, ‘Where?’ I said, ‘That’s bull----.’ There was no blood, no torn thread, no powder burn. There was nothing.” After the shooting, Paradis said, the deputies’ demeanor was “smug” and “almost celebratory.” A deputy walked over, pulled Yantis’ rifle from under his body and threw it into the grass. “There was no shootout. It was a senseless murder,” the Yantis’ daughter, Sarah, told the Statesman. MY DAD IS DEAD AND THE TWO DEPUTIES WHO KILLED HIM ARE ON PAID VACATION. THAT MAKES ME ANGRY. Sarah Yantis, daughter Meanwhile, the bull was still alive, slowly bleeding out on the roadway. Family members asked the deputies to put it down to end its suffering. No one did. “The bull ended up lying there for two hours,” Paradis said, “suffocating in his own lung blood because they shot him in the gut.” Read more here: http://www.sacbee.com/news/nation-world/national/article43673037.html#storylink=cpy http://www.sacbee.com/news/nation-world/national/article43673037.html
Sorry, I may be slowed by the beer, but how do those two things gel? How you can you not take into account the specific abilities of a person while also considering what that person knows, has experienced, or has perceived? I realize you could classify one as primarily physical and the other as mental, but how does that distinction come about? Sorry if I'm being a burden, but this sort of thing is really interesting.
The first bolded is bullshit IMO. It functions as subjective when you start diving into evidence and looking at the evidence. I suppose you view the standard objectively, but you're also considering all the facts.
appreciate it man. thanks for dropping some knowledge. maybe we agree, but when something is left to human interpretation, i have a tough time calling it objective.
So my best friends brother in law posted this video online It was same gay ass renters rights hearing. The guy lives in a suburb of San Fransisco, doesn't have a job and is crying about how his rent is too high in his swanky neighborhood. Anyway....hilarity ensues when some old man gets arrested for being an old cunt. PS. The guy recording brought is 9 year old daughter to this.
If this is the same case as the one I saw on dateline, the brother was working as a janitor somewhere and couldn't get a job It was certainly fishy that once he decides to "forgive" the cop everything we patched up because him and his old agency and he was given his job back
Carjacking suspect hospitalized after police chase ends in crash, shooting Posted: Nov 15, 2015 11:37 PM ESTUpdated: Nov 16, 2015 5:36 PM EST NORTHWEST MIAMI-DADE, Fla. (WSVN) -- A 16-year-old boy believed to have been driving a stolen car was transported to the hospital after, police said, he was shot by an officer during a confrontation after crashing his vehicle. According to Miami-Dade Police, officers initially tried to stop the suspect, who was driving a white Mazda. He led police on a chase before he lost control of the wheel and crashed into a business near Northwest 79th Street and 16th Avenue. Police said the teen took off on foot and got into a confrontation with officers, and that's when shots were fired. The suspect was later identified as 16-year-old Quayvis Howard, a police-documented gang member. Charges are still pending His mother told 7News she's trying to determine what went wrong. "He's only 16, and he's a good child. That's my only son," said Crystal Howard. "I want some kind of answers. I don't understand this." Her son was taken to Ryder Trauma Center, where he is listed in stable condition. Police recovered a .40 caliber handgun at the scene.
Do you know something about that case that isn't in the article, Gibbons? Or are we just reporting every black kid shot by cops in this thread?
I'm sticking with "too early to tell" but carjacking, gun-having, and not being dead are all items that lean toward making it less likely a story.
I was confused then, that is on me when I saw the 2 page debate on an officer tazing a man that charged at him out of his vehicle I thought these type of stories were welcomed
You could just say you were being meta and posing as a police officer that's bad at message boarding.
I was just posting a story that happened today that I figured my good friends in this thread would enjoy discussing Now I'll let u off with a warning, here's ur drivers license and drive safely
My dad's president of the ACLU and you are going to be in so much trouble for harassment when he hears about this.
For the record I'm on team this one's fucked up and those first two should face the same charges the rest of us would have.
Austin, TX — A group of friends, Jeremy Kingg, Lou Glen, Matt Wallace, and Rolando Ramiro were walking home Early Friday morning when they crossed the street in a manner unfit for a police state. “We were walking across the street, the sign said ‘do not walk,’ but lights were already turning yellow and streets were blocked off, so we kept walking,” Ramiro says. “[Police] flashed their flashlights at us, asked us to show them our IDs. Matt and Jeremy said to f— off,” noting that the street was barricaded so the ‘crime’ of Jaywalking was a moot point when cars are unable to drive down the street. However, the half-dozen officers attempting to assert their authority over group did not approve of Wallace and Kingg’s tone, so they felt a gang beating was in order. All of the sudden, multiple Austin cops coming running from their bicycles and proceed to start punching, kneeing, and kicking two young men. When asked what crime they committed, one officer turned up and said, “crossed against the light.” This insanely violent response from police for crossing the street is the epitome of the divide in America today that continues to grow between the police and the policed. This is not how you treat people. After the video began to go viral, the APD released the following statement: The Austin Police Department has been made aware of the incident that occurred Friday, Nov. 6 at 2:30 a.m. in the 600 block of E. Sixth Street. As is standard protocol, the Chain of Command will review the Response to Resistance and the incident to determine what led up to the events captured in the video and whether the officer’s actions were in compliance with APD policy. The APD is no stranger to violent arrests for jaywalking. Last year, 4 APD officers applied a ridiculous amount of force to a tiny college girl for jogging ‘against the light.’ When police were asked to issue a statement about the stop, which made world news, APD chief Art Acevedo implied that the girl should feel lucky that none of his officers raped her. “This person absolutely took something that was as simple as ‘Austin Police – Stop!’ and decided to do everything you see on that video,” Austin Police Chief Art Acevedo said at a press conference Friday, according to Austin NPR station 90.5 KUT. “And quite frankly she wasn’t charged with resisting. She’s lucky I wasn’t the arresting officer, because I wouldn’t have been as generous. … In other cities there’s cops who are actually committing sexual assaults on duty, so I thank God that this is what passes for a controversy in Austin, Texas,” Acevedo said. This is what crossing the street in a police state looks like. Read more at http://thefreethoughtproject.com/insane-video-shows-gang-cops-beat-2-non-violent-men-walking-street/#rCeTlWgwWS31s7oD.99.. from local fox station: http://www.fox7austin.com/news/local-news/48267048-story
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry...-police-officer-dies_564bc286e4b06037734b9d86 Unarmed Black Man Shot By Minneapolis Police Officer Dies Activists say Jamar Clark was unarmed and handcuffed when he was shot. Kim Bellware Reporter, The Huffington Post Posted: 11/17/2015 07:21 PM EST | Edited: 1 hour ago An unarmed black man shot Sunday night by Minneapolis police has died, and activists are calling for police to release videos of the incident that led to his death. Jamar Clark, 24, had been on life support since the shooting. After his family removed him from life support, he died Monday evening, the Minnesota's Bureau of Criminal Apprehension, a division of the Department of Public Safety, confirmed to The Huffington Post. Clark was shot Sunday night during an apparent struggle with police. The BCA said paramedics called police to report an individual interfering with an assault victim they were trying to aid; after an "altercation" with the individual, an as-yet unnamed officer fired at least one shot. But witness accounts differ drastically from the police version of events. "That man was shot in cold blood when he had his hands behind his back," witness Keisha Steele told the Associated Press. Witness accounts saying Clark was handcuffed at the time of the shooting sparked anger in the community and calls for police to release video of the shooting. On Monday evening, protesters blocked Interstate 94 for about two and a half hours. At least 43 adults were arrested during the peaceful protest. BCA Superintendent Drew Evans said in a Tuesday press conference that authorities had several partial videos of the incident -- none of which came from police body cameras or patrol dashboard cameras -- but that they would not release any of it while the investigation was ongoing. "We don't want to taint the interviews that may be ongoing with witnesses in this case," Evans said. "And by having this video going public, we may potentially taint portions of the investigation." The Hennepin County Coroner's Office released its autopsy report Tuesday, ruling that Clark died from a gunshot wound to the head, and called the manner of death a homicide under investigation by the BCA and the FBI. Minneapolis Mayor Betsy Hodges has called for a federal investigation into Clark's shooting. The two responding officers have been placed on leave, per department protocol, according to the BCA. Their names have not been released. "We need to know exactly what happened," Minneapolis Police Chief Janeé Harteau said in a press conference Tuesday. "We need to know the truth. Everyone involved needs that and deserves that." At least 1,000 people have been killed by law enforcement this year, according to the Guardian database that tracks police killings.(and holy shit at the 13 gifs at bottom of page)
Good example of - I'm gonna punch you in the face until you put both hands behind your back. Stop protecting your face which I'm punching and get those hands behind your back!