He was at the house of someone that had a warrant. Seems like an honest mistake by the cops. That's going to happen. Him resisting just made it worse.
The problem is how long he paused before giving his name. Any reasonable person is going to wonder if he's telling the truth after that type of pause. The officers didn't have the benefit of the doubt of flashing text letting him know it was in fact Patrick Mumford.
To be fair, he paused for a couple seconds and gave his name in question form. From a cop's perspective, I can see why they would think he had made that up and arrested him to get out and put his hands in the car so they can verify is ID. Cops are human. They are going to make mistakes, this one being are case of mistaken identification. Asking cops be perfect just isn't realistic.
Ask him his name. He gives it to you. If you doubt he's being honest, ask him to provide you ID showing he is who he says he is. If he refuses, explain the situation why they are there, and tell him that you will have to detain him until they can gain a positive ID. It isn't hard. But the solution is - ask for name, think he's lying, pull out tazer?
They asked him to get out of the car. They would have verified his ID at that point. He refused. Probably would have been best to just let him go afterwards and chalk up to a mistake on their part in ID and a mistake on his part in resisting. Just call it even and move on.
Are you watching a different video than I am? That's what they tried to do and he refused to cooperate.
LOL. Yeah they make mistakes. Especially because all black look alike. It took them under a minute to tase him. Excellent police work.
He paused for 13 seconds bc he was nervous? Do we know what the warrant was they thought he had? That has to be a factor. Granted, they had the wrong guy, but I get wanting to pat down a guy you think has a warrant, especially if it's for something violent. They didn't just roll up on this guy at a random location. They were at the house of the guy with a warrant. Obviously they made a mistake in ID but that's going to happen at times. His actions just made it worse.
Yea man its bc all blacks look alike. Nothing to do with them being at the house of a guy with a warrant. Cops made a mistake. That doesn't excuse his actions, though.
They ask him his name. He tells them. They doubt him, so they tell him to get out of the car and put his hands on the top of the car. At no point did the cops assume innocence, ask him to provide his ID for proof of who he was, or even explain to the guy why they were there. It's straight to force. And another one of these guys will cash a hefty pay day courtesy of us the tax payers, because of some overzealous cops.
You're completely leaving out the 13 second gap in time from them asking his name to him giving his name in question form. They were at a home to pick up a guy with a warrant. A suspect in a car is being very shady. There's definitely reason to believe they have the right guy. Asking him to get out and put his hands on the car isn't unreasonable at all.
What's wrong with asking him to get out of the car and putting his hands in an area they can see them in order to verify his identity?
They literally said he looked like the other guy. A guy he looks nothing like unless you think all blacks looks alike. FWIW I thought he gave a fake name. So I understand the cops thinking he was lying. But, at that point all they had to do was say "ok Patrick can I see some ID"?
What is so hard about the cop explaining the situation, and asking him to provide ID? If after that point he fails to provide or identify, then the cops are more than welcome to detain him. The guy wasn't running, he was sitting in the passenger seat of a car with his legs out, surrounded by multiple cops. The problem incurred only because the police refused to show restraint in the situation, and escalated with a person completely unknowing to why the police were grabbing him. I mean, go back and look at the video again - the cop asks Patrick to stand up. He complies. The officer tells him to turn around and put his hands on the car. At that point, the office to the left of the video already has grabbed Patrick's arm. Patrick asks "what happened, what'd I do", to which the officer doesn't explain anything to the guy. And even to that point in the video, Patric did not begin resisting. All he knows is the cops rolled up, and within 30 seconds were trying to arrest/detain him without telling him a single thing. I mean, damn, with everything that has happened in the past few weeks, a young black man sees a group of cops run up on him and try to arrest him within seconds, not telling him anything, how exactly did they think he was going to react? It's the point of the unneeded escalation of the situation. Now the kid is going to get paid. And the citizens of Savannah are going to foot the bill because of it.
It's a safety thing. I really don't understand how anyone can be opposed to be officer patting him down for weapons before getting ID after the suspect was uncooperative at the very beginning.
If you think you are being lied to you are going to get that guy to keep his hands up and he is gonna get cuffed before you have him go fishing around in a car for stuff. It seemed like that's what they were thinking too. I didn't read the whole thread. What was the arrest warrant for?
The events that have occurred elsewhere excuse this kid refusing to get out of the car and put his hands on the car? Sorry, I don't buy that. Stop for a second and think about the situation as if the cops ID'd the right guy and he was giving a fake name. Would there be any issue in how they handled the situation? No, there's wouldn't be. Knowing that, it's silly to hold their feet to the fire over a mistaken identification. He should have gotten up, put his hands on the car, and complied with them verifying his ID.
These are definitely not the reasonable types or the type of cops that do this because they feel a duty to civil service and doing the right thing. These are the ones that can't get better jobs and at least they get to take their self esteem issues out on others.
Idk man they seemed pretty reasonable until they had a subject resist and go back into his car. That's a dangerous situation, especially when you factor in that they thought they were picking up a guy with a warrant.
http://thenewpress.com/books/working In this book there's a good interview with a police officer in Chicago in 1974. Here's a bit of it:
Pathetic representation of our country. http://www.nbcnews.com/news/asian-a...artially-paralyzed-indian-grandfather-n573806''
Un. Believable. Muncey is the chief. "Muncey sent emails demanding to know why some of his officers who were called as witnesses had testified that the takedown was within policy. Muncey, who said he had a duty as chief to correct his officers, was found guilty last month of criminal contempt of court and fined $2,500." Parker meanwhile has been on paid vacation for the last year and a half.
If you'd see the average cops or "the good ones" (as people say) out there being vocal about these bad cops then the public perception might be a little different. But you don't see that. You see police unions never admitting fault and constantly supporting individuals regardless of how egregious their mistakes are. And that makes all police look like one unified body and furthers the public's distrust. The system is broken and the sooner everyone realizes and admits to it the sooner the idiots on either side become a non-factor.
Is that guy required to provide ID? Can cops roll up on anyone and demand ID in order to prove you are or are not the guy they are looking for? Even if they are serving a warrant, do you have to provide ID? he's not driving a car, he's just sitting there, does he even have ID on him? Clearly this guy is on edge because he's on probation for something. he said he just met with his PO, so I'm sure he's wondering what he did wrong, if his PO screwed up, etc. But in that moment, also, he has to realize that this isn't going to get better for him. The cops aren't going to say - ok, nevermind, we are outta here. And I'm not saying the cops are right, I'm saying there is no way he's talking his way out of it at that point. Even if he's completely innocent, which he was, it's over at that point and his best bet is to follow the path of least resistance and deal with it later. I know that sucks, and it's counter to what his mind and body are telling him to do, but it's what he should have done. And all that being said, fuck those cops.
Stop and identify laws vary from state to state. Depending on where he was, he may have to provide ID, identify himself by name, or none of the above.
http://wsvn.com/news/local/video-shows-moments-before-north-miami-police-shot-unarmed-man/ well that's not a good look
This is incredibly fucked up. That guy did everything right and was imploring his autistic patient to do the same. "I was thinking as long as I have my hands up … they’re not going to shoot me. This is what I’m thinking, they’re not going to shoot me. Wow, was I wrong.”
Remember that time that Dorner lunatic went on a police killing rampage in California and all the LEOs in California were trying to find him? Well, you may also remember there was an incident in which EIGHT police officers mistook a 71 year old Hispanic woman's black Honda Ridgeline for Dorner's gray Nissan Titan and without properly identifying the vehicle or driver they fired 107 rounds at the vehicle injuring the woman and her daughter? Just wanted to follow up and put it on record that none of the officers faced any punishment for that event. Shocker, I know.
I hadn't heard that, so I googled the article - I love this quote from their attorney: "They truly thought that they were fighting Chris Dorner at that moment," Fullerton said. "When they realized what they did, they all felt terrible .… But at the time that they did it, they felt absolutely that they had to do what they had to do." In general all police spokespeople follow the same formula: never admit any fault and use the phrase "at the time" or "in that split-second" as often as possible. Spoiler They did pay 4.2 million to those two in a civil case, though.
I did see the settlement and that seems pretty hefty. Maybe not though. Regardless, my issue with it isn't how the victims are compensated but how the people responsible aren't punished or held accountable for their actions. It's amazingly lucky they didn't kill either of the vehicle's occupants but it's also pathetic at the same time. That seems weird to say but I think people know what I mean by it. Sure makes it seem like it was a bunch of amateurs with guns just going crazy instead of eight trained professionals doing their jobs correctly. Some of the rounds fired didn't even hit the car. At least five wound up in the entrance area to a neighbor's house. And those same 8 officers are still patrolling today.
You really hope firing the guy won't be necessary. If that was me I'd straight up resign because it would be painfully obvious I wasn't cut out for the job. I don't even think there's a lot of outrage to be had on this one compared to other situations. No racism, no cowboy behavior, just a guy who's dangerously incompetent as was said above.
God, I don't want to imagine this story if he did. If this was gasoline on the fire of the cops-civilians relationship in the country right now, that would have been napalm.