Bad Police Thread - where calling the police is a gamble

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  1. PSU12

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    I don't know where else to put this, but thought it was a good post from someone that could have been on the wrong side of bad police pretty easily. From Iowa DL Faith Ekkakitie
     
  2. Can I Spliff it

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    do prison guards get lumped in with police?
     
  3. Barves2125

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    No. The job is entirely different IMO and while there are certainly plenty of issues with the corrections industry in our country their problems are mostly different from police issues.
     
  4. Daniel Ocean

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    It depends on what you mean by "prison" if you mean state facilities probably not but if you mean county then yes. In many places county facilities are policed by sheriffs who will eventually hit the streets. I think that's the case in LA, NYC and Miami.
     
  5. Prospector

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    wow only 2 likes
    Damn
     
  6. Killy Me Please

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    Wonder if shitty police officers costing tax payers millions will ever be part of the RNC platform.
     
  7. Lefthook

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    This. So much this. Nixon's creation of the war on drugs brought no-knock warrants and started the escalating militarization of the police. Every drug law has roots in racism - in the 1870's opium dens were outlawed because white men thought that Chinese men who were moving into San Francisco were going to lure white women into opium dens so that they could have sex with them. Cannabis was renamed "marihuana" to make it sound "more Mexican" and was known as the "Mexican menace" to make it easier to vilify and outlaw. The War on Drugs was an easy way to subjugate minorities, create probable cause out of thin air. When Reagan escalated the War on Drugs we were incarcerating 150 inmates per 100,000 citizens - now that number is 710 inmates per 100k citizens. Over 50% are there strictly for possession.

    Rumor is that Obama is planning on removing cannabis from the Schedule I list before he leaves office. This would be huge, a legacy-cementing move IMO.
     
  8. PSU12

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    opium den legalization is the key to racial equality
     
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    No, the child abuse by juvenile corrections officers in Australia
     
  11. Frank Martin

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    how many people are actually in prison for possessing marijuana?

    Rolling Stone says online like 20k people are in prison for marijuana alone and only 1% of them were in for possession.
     
  12. shawnoc

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    Bureau of Justice Statistics claims that 99.8% of all federal marijuana incarcerations are for trafficking.
     
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    Sounds like he skips cardio day at the gym
     
  14. Emma

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    Situational circumstances and weather
     
  15. Lefthook

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    possession with intent to distribute falls under trafficking and the standard for "intent to distribute" is laughably weak in most jurisdictions.

    The bigger point is that marijuana serves as the "entry point" to find other crimes. It's the slam-dunk Probable Cause standard, see the kid in KCMO that suffered brain damage after having the shit tazed out of him and going into cardiac arrest

    hope this helps
     
  16. Frank Martin

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    so i'm supposed to feel sorry for someone that's selling crack because he was also selling marijuana?

    or i'm supposed to feel sorry for someone carrying a stolen weapon because he was smoking pot?
     
  17. Dutch

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    People aren't going to federal prison on trafficking charges based on possession w/ intent for a couple grams of marijuana, we're talking a couple hundred pounds to tons. Furthermore, possession with intent is hardly a laughably weak standard, especially with lower quantities of any controlled substance.

    Are you stating that clear evidence of the presence of marijuana should not give rise to probable cause in regard to the same marijuana?
     
  18. Lefthook

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    who said federal?
     
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  19. Lefthook

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    this belongs in the Hero Police thread. idk if there is one, if there isn't there should be. Not that I enjoy seeing people get hurt like this woman and whatever, but I do enjoy a good hero cop video/story. I'd rather watch them than the bad cops vids for sure.

    This one is my favorite so far:
     
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  20. Dutch

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    The post you replied to in regard to incarceration rates for trafficking in marijuana.
     
  21. Lefthook

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    Exactly. Meaning that the post about 99.8% of federal incarcerations being for trafficking is irrelevant. Nobody is in federal prison for small time shit, duh. You have to be crossing state lines for it to be federal, how does that have anything to do with my point about being busted with over an ounce and going to the state or county lockup for possession with intent to distribute. "Trafficking" does not have to be a federal offense.

    8.2 million arrests between 2001 and 2010, 88.4% were for simply having marijuana. One arrest per 51 seconds for a decade.

    Authorities spend $3.6 BILLION per year enforcing simple possession crimes. That's absurd. In Missouri, having 35 grams on your person is a felony intent to distribute. That's an ounce and a quarter, which is not very much weed at all.

    That's stupid.
     
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  22. Dutch

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    That wasn't clearly evident in your posts that I quoted, maybe you specifically said it elsewhere or that's what you intended. I'm very aware of what constitutes trafficking, both on the state and federal level. FWIW, states, even traditionally conservative ones, have trended away from possession of marijuana being an arrestable offense, even misdemeanor trafficking (including, but not limited to, marijuana). While it may never be legal to the same extent as alcohol, the criminality of it is dissipating. You're already getting what you want for the most part.
     
  23. Frank Martin

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    Who's just casually riding around with more than an ounce of marijuana for personal use?

    Secondly most people arrested aren't sent to prison.
     
  24. Lefthook

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    eh sometimes I don't take the time to be very detailed. But I specifically quoted the current statute for Missouri because it's so laughably low. I am a light/infrequent user, and the only one in my house that smokes and yet I regularly will be picking up a half ounce at a time because that just isn't that much weed. If I was having a bunch of people over and choosing to provide smoke instead of having everyone get drunk, an ounce wouldn't nearly be enough.

    And yet I can roll around with a metric fuck load of whiskey and nobody will say shit, even though alcohol is far more dangerous in large quantities than weed can ever be.

    Anyway, you weren't the one making the point about 98.8% of federal prisoners being there for trafficking so it was more of a "Royal You" statement than a specific one cast your way, brother. I know I'm getting what I want but moreover if someone in the factory isn't paying attention while I'm giving customers a tour and my foot gets run over by a forklift or I get whacked in the head by a couple guys moving a rack of HSS tube steel, I don't want to lose my job because my employer is a Federal Equal Opportunity Employer which means the insurance we carry requires a UA for any workman's comp claim and that means I lose my job.

    The war on drugs is a proven failure. I hope it will end soon.
     
  25. Prospector

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    Activists protest no charges for cop in Arizona shooting of Native American woman

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    By Thandisizwe Chimurenga
    Thursday Jul 28, 2016 · 3:33 PM CST

    A small group of protestors in Phoenix, Arizona, met employees of the Maricopa County Prosecutor as they arrived for work on Monday, protesting the agency’s decision last Friday not to charge a Winslow police officer in the death of a Native American woman. More than 200 people rallied last April to demand that an “unbiased investigation take place in the death of Loreal Tsingine, shot five times by Winslow police officer Austin Shipley, after allegedly threatening him with a pair of scissors.”

    Winslow police said they received multiple calls from a convenience store of a woman shoplifting and harassing store employees on March 27. But the suspect had already left the scene by the time officers arrived.

    Officers began a search, and Shipley located the suspect walking on a street close to the store.


    According to a police report, Shipley attempted to detain Tsingine, but she resisted arrest and was taken to the ground.


    The officer said Tsingine swung the scissors at him, and he retreated with his gun drawn and gave multiple commands for her to stop and drop the scissors.


    The police report said Tsingine didn't comply and got up and aggressively ran at Shipley with scissors in hand before he shot her. She was pronounced dead at the scene.


    According to media reports, serious concerns were raised about Shipley’s fitness for duty, which were not heeded.


    Tsingine’s death at the hands of a Winslow police officer underscores calls by activists to pay attention to the interactions between Native Americans and law enforcement.

    American Indians are more likely than any other racial group to be killed by the police, according to the Center on Juvenile and Criminal Justice, which studied police killings from 1999 to 2011 (the rate was determined as a percentage of total population). But apart from media outlets like Indian Country Today, almost no attention is paid to this pattern of violence against already devastated peoples.

    Native Lives Matter, part of the Lakota Peoples’ Law Project, was created in part to address this disparity.
     
  26. timo

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    Off duty cop basically does nothing while his friends almost beat a man to death; right after one of his other friends stabbed somebody.





    A street fight that landed an off-duty cop in hot water was captured on video — and one man beaten so badly his face was fractured in three places, the Daily News has learned.

    Officer Ronnie Velez was suspended following the early Sunday evening melee at 7th Ave. and W. 21st Street in Chelsea for not identifying himself to cops who responded to the melee involving his friends.

    Velez allegedly did nothing to help the man his pals attacked, Elliot Ambert, 30. He has bleeding on the brain, plus fractures to his nose and eye socket.

    Ambert’s friend, Ray Cordero, 29, said he grappled with Velez and was held back from helping Ambert.

    Cop suspended after friends get into fight leading to stabbing
    Ray Cordero (pictured), 29, said his friend, Elliot Ambert, suffered so much head trauma that he only recalls very little from the street fight.
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    “He never identified himself as a police officer to me,” Cordero said. “I don’t understand how you can be an officer of the law and still let that happen.”

    Three of Velez’s friends — Reid Koran, 34, Jeremy Gonzalez, 27, and Michael Batista, 21 — were charged with felony assault for allegedly beating Ambert. The stab suspect, Kamar Forester, 28, was also charged with felony assault for allegedly wounding Koran in the upper torso.

    The beating happened about 6 p.m. as Ambert and Cordero left a restaurant, Il Bastardo.

    Cordero said Ambert and another man had brief words outside, but that a bouncer quickly separated them.

    The friends were walking off when they were attacked, he said.

    Cordero said he and Velez scuffled after Velez came up to him and started swinging, striking him in the head.

    The video shows Velez, clad in a black T-shirt and blue shorts, and one his friends, grappling with Cordero and Ambert.

    Within moments, Ambert was pulled away and pounded mercilessly by two other men. Cordero, meanwhile, was held at bay by Velez and another man who flashed a police shield.

    “I wasn’t going to hit a cop,” Cordero said. “I started to back up.”

    Velez is then seen retreating and disappearing from camera view.

    Cordero said he later learned from Internal Affairs investigators that Velez is a police officer.

    The man with the police shield may be the son of a police sergeant, Cordero said he later learned.

    Deputy Chief Edward Mullen would only say no one was charged with impersonating a police officer.
     
  29. miles

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    Couple days on desk duty ought to remedy the situation
     
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  32. miles

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    Damn, this fucking sucks. http://www.post-gazette.com/local/r...not-fire-at-man-with-gun/stories/201609090080

    Cliffs:

    -Guy pulls a gun on a cop and tells the cop to shoot him
    -Cop is a former marine and recognizes that the guy isn't going to shoot him, he's trying to go suicide by cop
    -Tells him he won't shoot him
    -Other cops roll in and gun him down
    -Suspect's gun was unloaded
    -Cop is fired for putting his other officers at risk

    I'm not even sure this belongs in here because maybe there's a protocol for something like this that he violated, but this was a guy who was legitimately trying to do good, and was fired for it.
     
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  34. miles

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    Did they just take his phone?
     
  35. Truman

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    I assume so, when the arrested him
     
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    Jury selection for the Walter Scott case began this morning. Cop is facing life.