Depends. Are they just sitting there? If yes, wait it out. It could be a mentally handicapped person. It could be someone that doesn't understand the language. No reason to escalate the situation when there's no threat to the cop. Now if the guy gets out with a gun and goes to raise it at a cop, put him down. Shooting someone 7 times over confusion just makes no sense though.
That's the beauty of dbl's argument. If that had occurred he would have argued they were escalating the situation by drawing their weapons.
I don't know what the answer is. I agree that's probably overboard but at the same time I just can't be ok with a cop freaking at the side of the car bc the citizen says he has a gun and then 5 seconds later emptying a clip on them. I feel like most cops would have handled that differently. I would expect them to tell them to put their hands on the wheel while the cop secures the gun. The cop didn't do that. All he said was don't reach for it. The victim wasn't reaching for it, and said so. The cop still shot him bc of the confusion of what was going on. Again, I don't know what the answer is, but what we are doing isn't working. I don't care what the manual says, something needs to change. We have to value the life of an innocent person as much as we do an LEO and right now we just don't. Everything is built around protecting the LEO, which is cool, but we have to protect the innocent citizen too.
I think there's something troubling about the fact that we can all watch that video and agree we wouldn't want to be partners with that guy if we were a cop. So you have a guy who really doesn't have any business being a cop, but we don't find that out until after he needlessly (and legally) kills someone. The only relief I see on the horizon is driver-less cars, phazing down police force sizes and paying better cops more money. Some sort of realization within law enforcement that they are putting their profession in more danger every time they shit themselves. Also maybe they should smoke weed once in a controlled setting so they don't assume someone lingering of the smell will take their life.
I tend to believe a guy that is open with the cop about having a gun and then says he's not reaching for it. If he were going to reach for it, he wouldn't have told the cop he had it. This goes back to using common sense though and you refuse to do that.
That's unfortunately true. There's no simulation that can accurately recreate the lethal force encounter. A problem is the continued push away from good old fashioned hands on fighting. It's being more and more deemphasized and second guessed by superiors as it is unsightly. People loved the taser until they saw people get tased. IMO, that and recruiting are the greatest hurdle.
So tell us how you expect him to get the suspects hand on the wheel to remove the weapon when he's not complying with your orders to not reach?
Most officers would have handled that much differently. Aside from his vehicle position and spotlight then guy used zero tactics he was trained. If he uses his training, the guy probably leaves with an explanation and without a ticket. Instead of using the tactics he was trained for even an unknown risk stop, he just walked right up and treated it like he was stopping grandma Moses. He wasn't mentally prepared and that is the result.
Castillo is not a robot. Humans do not always respond immediately. He told him not to reach for it, he said he wasn't, then he was shot. 3 seconds passed in that time. That's how quick that happened. 3 seconds from first command to shots fired. The cop never even saw a gun. You'll never convince me that someone that doesn't even have a gun in their hand, much less raising one towards an officer, should be shot for not complying within 3 seconds. Cops have to take the human factor into account when waiting for a response.
It's not what I'd considegross negligence, but yes, he should. We probably do on most things. Will do, thanks
So that dude dying is just the cost of doing business? Just write it off and treat it as a learning opportunity? Go fuck yourself. It's a person with a family and friends, not some injection molded widget. If the manual justifies that, we need a new goddamn manual. Legal precedent has been set that if the officer fears lethal force, even when not actually confronted with it, they are justified in using lethal force. That is how people die, all because they had the nerve to sell loose cigarettes or listen to headphones while walking down the street. If you're going prioritize going home safe at the end of your shift over the safety of the public, you probably shouldn't be patrolling the streets.
Did you hear that ping sound? It was you deflecting. I didn't even scratch the surface of my feelings on this, dude. Sorry your body strains under the weight of composing two paragraphs.
Tried to find video source for my "killed for walking down the street with headphones" but sadly there was more than just the one I was thinking about... http://photographyisnotacrime.com/2...mes-suspect-both-kill-suspect-in-retaliation/ http://archive.sltrib.com/story.php?ref=/sltrib/news/58472404-78/taylor-cruz-hands-gill.html.csp
Calling bullshit, you seem to enjoy it. Still viewing the thread, just had to reply to me. You could have taken the L and gone home but you had drop some snarky comment implying that I cared too much about police killing innocent civilians. I'm sorry that bad policing has made others look down on you (probably a decent cop all things considered) and you feel the need to defend murderers. It must suck having someone be prejudiced against you based on the bad acts of others in your group.
Also, I know you're cool with how this went down so I don't feel the need to argue policing reform with you. Wasn't looking to debate you when I first quoted you, I was telling you to go fuck yourself.
The patented "I Said I Was Done Talking About This But Have to Have the Last Word". I've seen FuckSudan do this for pages.
A friend of mine posted that he's been a member of the NRA for years, but due to this case, and the NRA's silence, he's canceling his membership.
This was the final straw for him? You'd think one of the repulsive things they do daily would've turned him off earlier.
I would say that it's entirely prudent to call for backup if you're pulling over what you suspect to be an armed criminal. Every traffic stop should be treated with the same tactical approach where the officer's intent is to present a small target. What I would like to see is an emphasis on de-escalation rather than taking an aggressive stance and the tacit threat of violence before any noncompliance has even occurred, but that's just because I understand human nature is to become defensive when approached aggressively. Officers who are filmed disregarding these techniques should be re-trained.
My interpretation of what the attorney said is definitely different... Tweet: "how dare my client get treated like a normal black guy." Reality: "my client got a taste of what it's like to be a black civilian and we have a problem here."
-Cop makes major mistake in the course of doing his job. -Civilian dies because of it. -Cop pleads guilty to a boating violation with the right to remove his guilty plea if the sentence involves jailtime. Hard to imagine a civilian getting even remotely the same treatment from the court if they caused another person to drown.
It's even worse when you realize he's not going to be punished for it, at least in terms of the judicial system.
Police arrive with guns drawn on a Comcast worker in a Comcast shirt who was looking for buried cables....proceed to use his Comcast truck to write him a citation for trespassing where he didn't belong. Yep, the Comcast employee is black.
I,ll tell you . I think I am going to start protesting something due to ignorance by police officers . first what is the difference in severity between busting a person for a gram of pot vs . not busting a person for not being disabled and parking in a disabled parking spot ?