Ballon D'Or - Messi '09, '10 winner

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  1. ChileanNole

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    Re: Ballon D'Or - Does Xavi win?

    Messi has carried Argentina amazingly.
     
  2. soulfly

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    And Ronaldo has done wonders with Portugal....

    Messi has had an entirely different role with Argentina.
     
  3. ChileanNole

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    He played the same "role" in the World Cup. And you are not seriously gonna compare the talent of Portugal against Argentina?
     
  4. soulfly

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    Yeah, this year.

    And good thing I don't give a titty fucking christ about Argentina. I don't even think the WC should be included in the Ballon.
     
  5. ChileanNole

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    Well I am quite sure Messi cares a lot about Argentina, and since you seem to think he is the best player to ever touch a football, the fact that he craps his pants when he plays for his country with a talent pool only behind to Brazil or Spain is quite relevant in this conversation.

    In any case, this is splitting hairs at the moment to say that any player is clearly above the other is just not right. You can say whatever you want about set pieces, but scoring from free kicks is just a good of a feat as scoring a 1 v 1 set up with a perfect pass from Xavi.
     
  6. Arrec Bardwin

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    Maybe if Argentina hired a real manager they could do something worthwhile.
     
  7. ChileanNole

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    They had Bielsa before and still couldnt do shit. They lack a true #10 and Messi has not been able to step in those shoes. Maybe Pastore will.
     
  8. Gunners

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    I think Messi could play the #10 role if others bought into it. Problem is they are all individual players. Di Maria puts his head down and dribbles every possible chance, Tevez doesn't work great with others, Higuain the same. It's just all individual.

    Pastore is probably the answer though and they can have 2 playmakers in him and Messi.

    I also don't think the attack is Argentina's problem. Starting players like Heinze and DeMichelis in the WC is a recipe for disaster and that is what happened vs the Germans.
     
  9. Wu

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    uh... no
     
  10. Wicket

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    which country would you put over argentina, cuz I really wouldnt know
     
  11. ChileanNole

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    I would like to know this as well.
     
  12. Wu

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    right now, i'd take brazil, spain, france and germany over argentina
     
  13. Wu

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    and it was common knowledge that they had serious back line deficiencies during the last WC
     
  14. ChileanNole

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    Re: Ballon D'Or - Does Xavi win?

    Remember we are talking in overall talent poll not just elite talent. I would not put Germany or France over Argentina.
     
  15. Wu

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    so you're saying that they have more talent, just not high-quality talent to legitimately contend in a world-class tournament?
     
  16. ChileanNole

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    I am saying they have a larger talent pool, that doesnt mean they have more Elite players than Germany or France at the moment (although that is certainly arguable), but that overall they have many more international caliber players that can play in the top 3/5 leagues in the world.
     
  17. soulfly

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    What does that matter when we're talking about a squad of a select amount of players that are playing in the World Cup?
     
  18. ChileanNole

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    I just made the point that Argentina has the 2nd or 3rd talent pool in the world and 514 said that was wrong.

    Back to Messi, the point that I was trying to make was that he is playing in an insanely talented squad whether he plays for Barcelona or Argentina. It's not like some other players that flourish in club competition because they are playing with elite talent besides them and then they play for a shitty country and cant match that success.

    Now Argentina's failure in the WC cant be solely put on Messi because they had a retard at the helm that made some very questionable calls and kept some players out of the squad that should have been starters like Zanetti and Cambiasso. But you cant just ignore either, and even before Maradona was the manager he underperformed in the qualifiers and other tournaments, and he hasnt been able to match what he does for Barcelona.
     
  19. IT

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    126 games, 109 goals in the last three seasons
     
  20. Gunners

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    Another half Barca have done nothing vs bad competition w/o Messi.
     
  21. soulfly

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    Monday's the big day.
     
  22. soulfly

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    One last bump?
     
  23. soulfly

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    Ceremony on now.
     
  24. soulfly

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    Iker Casillas
    Carles Puyol --- Gerard Pique --- Lucio --- Maicon
    Andres Iniesta --- Xavi --- Wesley Sneijder
    Ronaldo --- David Villa --- Messi

    only 3 teams represented lol
     
  25. broXcore

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    haha jesus
     
  26. soulfly

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    Re: Ballon D'Or - On Now

    Haiti U-17 women get the Fair Play
     
  27. ChileanNole

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  29. soulfly

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    Fuck that cocksucker
     
  30. soulfly

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    Presidential award to Tutu.
     
  31. Gunners

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    Mockery of the sport.
     
  32. soulfly

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    Goal of the Year to Altintop.
     
  33. soulfly

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    :roll: goalie he scored against presented him the award.
     
  34. soulfly

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    Don't worry, Fabby will break in once he joins Barca.
     
  35. soulfly

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    wtfffffffffffffff :roll:
     
  36. broXcore

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    so we have to listen to this fucking guy sing, cool
     
  37. ChileanNole

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    what the hell
     
  38. broXcore

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    i feel like that song did not fit the mood
     
  39. soulfly

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    Would marry Marta and let her embarrass me in soccer.
     
  40. ChileanNole

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    Damn she is better than a lot of male players
     
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    without a doubt
     
  42. ChileanNole

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    Iniesta and Xavi look classy, Messi not so much.
     
  43. soulfly

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    Guardiola proving why he's better than Mourinho. Decided to speak god's language at the podium.

    And fuck yeah, congrats Messi. Surprised he won it over the 2 WC winners.
     
  44. ChileanNole

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    He doesnt even speak Spanish properly
     
  45. broXcore

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    im surprised too, but :golfclap: to messi
     
  46. Gunners

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    Tevez in team of the year. What a joke. Over Milito. Sure. Can't even hate on anything else but that.
     
  47. soulfly

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    Huh? Tevez isn't in team of the year....
     
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  49. Wu

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    ahahahahahahaha
     
  50. soulfly

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    Fuck yes :roll: