You’re arguing with the biggest liberal on this board. I’m fully committed to the power of governing by the votes of the people. But you can’t just say “vote or fuck off.” You have to understand the arguments against voting. You have to understand the limitations of liberalism to actually advocate for it.
Remember when the NYT used old tax returns to show Trump was commiting tax fraud a couple of years ago and then like uh nothing happened?
That it doesn’t actually drive significant change. That you can make a more significant change via popular culture and barring that - actual revolution.
imo you need a breather, you're mad because you're coming in contact with beliefs you haven't and challenge your own message boards are really bad places to talk when this is the case! should read about rejections of electoralism, there's a LOT of reasons why people even on the left reject liberal democracy of our type
Well votes got him in office. He didn’t get in office by popular culture pressure. Im not saying you voted for him. But if enough people thought like you and just didn’t vote we would be living through 4 more years of it.
oh you guys are arguing to change the entire electoral system? Well that’s a nice idea, but it will never happen.
He lost the vote count both times he ran. Votes didn’t put him in office. Votes tried their damndest to keep him out.
So you think we should hand the keys to republicans to accelerate the failing of the nation so we can cut to revolution faster? Am I following correctly?
as someone who has went 50 rounds with people on this topic its fun to be positioned as the illiberal one now
sounds like you want to debate gun control after all there's a thread for that If you want the DOJ's reasoning, maybe google some DOJ statements instead of trying to Gotcha! the Libs in this thread
I get wanting to change the system and get rid of the electoral college. The problem is to do that you would need a constitutional amendment. I would assume we would all agree that an amendment isn’t passing 2/3 of the house and senate and ratification of 3/4 of the states. So then it comes down to changing the way states award their electoral votes. Which is not quite as much of a long shot, but still a very long shot given the trend of republican state governments passing laws to disenfranchise voters. And once again, whether it is state or national elections, voting seems to be key to getting either of those paths open. Also, if a revolution is what ya’ll want, calling the people who are on your side douches and refusing to explain your position is not a great way to start it. HTH
Yeah I know which one you're taking about but the one I'm talking about was in 2018. https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/10/02/us/politics/donald-trump-tax-schemes-fred-trump.html Fun to think about.
He is pro-voting, but he said I need to understand why people would be against voting. Which is what I asked. He said voted don’t enact change. I said they do. Just because you agree with him doesn’t make me crazy for asking.
You said, "if enough people thought like you and didn't vote" right after he told you he's a huge liberal and an advocate for electoral politics I don't know why you should expect anyone to engage with you if you aren't even trying to read or understand their posts
You’re right. I should have more clearly shown that while I recognize he is arguing for views that aren’t his own, he is defending that position. That should have been made much more clear
his experience isn’t one only 4 months long. His anger isn’t solely because of the last four months. His anger is as old as this country. I had never voted Democrat until 2016.
Hard to keep track of the tax fraud, obstruction of justice, accepting foreign aid during a campaign, soliciting dirt from a foreign country during a campaign, unindicted co-conspirator status, ndas and payoffs to porn stars, etc.
What "gotcha" have I asked? Literally all I've asked is "what is the rationale behind (x)?" Sorry for whatever I did, I guess.
I don’t know who you are arguing with. No one is taking the position that people of color have had it good in this country.
Different people buy them for different reasons. Probably looks aren't what's important to people who own them.
you said him being black didn’t matter. You came off the top rope with your first reply to him. I’m attempting to explain to you why he feels the way he does and that it isn’t based on the last 4 months like you said. He is angry and tired of voting and seeing shit stay exactly the same. Voting in the us because of the system we use to elect potus doesn’t matter. At a local level it does a little and that’s why I’ve never said people shouldn’t vote as a matter of fact I’ve said the opposite.
Nashville Knight thinks white red necks should be able to say the N word without consequence so maybe don’t respond to him
You’re arguing semantics and you know it. You unironically used the term and argued against “cancel culture”. So you didn’t say face “ no consequences” but you did argue he shouldn’t face harsh consequences because he didn’t drop the hard R in a mean way lol.