Bidengeddon: Boring, but radical

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  1. NCHusker

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    Right if anything people are tired of our faux free market approach that is actually corporate socialism. If we're going to do a free market approach we should also let labor benefit when the market dictates it should. It's a pro-labor position far more than it's an anti-free market position
     
  2. Redav

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    Riner is like a landlord so it makes sense
     
  3. theriner69er

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    people on here have mocked the idea of "let the market decide" for as long as that's been a saying
     
  4. ElectricDreamMachine

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    welp any temporary affection i had for joe owning that "small business" dipshit has subsided
     
  5. Illinihockey

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    Because the context matters. As I just said a lot of markets are rigged or inequitable. When they mock let the market decide it’s because it’s not a real market and there’s some things a market cannot fairly decide.
     
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  6. theriner69er

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    We agree. The market should decide, and corporate socialism is just socialism.
     
  7. Lyrtch

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    riner is such a piss pig
     
  8. NCHusker

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    I'm now an an-cap thank you
     
  9. Bruce Wayne

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    The saying itself is a mockery
     
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  10. Drown ‘Em

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    What does “letting the market decide” mean to you? It’s a concept which has different meanings to different people, and many, if not most, of those meanings deserve to be mocked.
     
  11. The Banks

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    The simplest solution to this issue is getting J-1 visa levels back to pre-pandemic levels. Make it a rule they must be fully vaccinated of course.
     
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  12. Henry Blake

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    Enjoyed the jab at John having to take socialism dollars to stay in business.
     
  13. afb

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    If someone thinks a company having to pay people more to attract them is a bad thing, then you are essentially saying that people need less help and need to be poor in order for low paying jobs can exist.

    Which is some level of awfulness I can’t understand.
     
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  14. theriner69er

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    to me it simply means that there is no artificial (government) interference with the free market
     
  15. theriner69er

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    Is someone saying that?
     
  16. NCHusker

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    ROFL
     
  17. poor paul

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  18. Drown ‘Em

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    Then yes, that deserves mockery. And for many reasons, but especially since the mechanism used to generate substantial wealth in this country, the corporation, is only recognized because of “government interference” saying that a legal fiction exists which separates the group as an individual from those individuals who make up the group.
     
  19. BudKilmer

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    I am HOWLING at Charlie Kirk wearing a border patrol t-shirt

    that walking human puss sore couldn’t tie a fucking square knot if his life depended on it
     
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  21. BudKilmer

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    Ronny Jackson can eat shit and die
     
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  22. IV

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    What level of regulation do you believe should occur in said free markets?


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    I see this has already been asked and answered and that riner is basically a blithering maroon
     
  23. chuckmasterflex

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    Can't tell if riner's brain is too hot or too cold, but it most certainly the wrong temperature
     
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  24. Truman

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    I have no issue w targeted sanctions on individuals. It's the nationwide embargos that are crimes of humanity. Unless Im over looking something, there's no conflict between individual sanctions and full embargo.

    IDGAF if they sanction deserving individuals - just lift the damn embargo.
     
  25. IV

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    Wouldn’t Trump be dead in a gutter without the “government intervention” that is our bankruptcy policies
     
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  26. theriner69er

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    you are presuming I agree with the current version of the "free market", and support the idea of government interfering and recognizing corporations and granting them specific benefits.
     
  27. IV

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    the idea of a completely non regulated market is pretty evil

    :twocents:
     
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  28. Redav

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    Bruh it's the natural progression of a "free market." Those with money and power coerce the government into aiding them in getting more money and power.
     
  29. Drown ‘Em

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    I don’t know why I’m continuing on, but what about “government interference” in the recognition and enforcement of copyrights, patents, and trademarks?
     
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  30. theriner69er

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    I am not in favor of child labor or forced labor, but the evil truth is you and I probably contribute to it regularly. I buy Nikes. I bought a diamond that could very well have been mined by a kid in Africa. I know we all try our best, but the idea that non-regulated free markets are evil because it harms kids and poor people.....now where are my Air Zooms, I need to go for a run! is a tad disingenuous.

    Granted, I don't know you, maybe you go to great lengths to avoid those evils. And if so, good on you, but you are the exception.

    I do think some regulation is necessary and ultimately good. I'll modify my statement: government interference in the free market should be as minimal as possible.
     
  31. Illinihockey

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    they first consolidate power and crush competition and then if needed use the government to codify their power.

    when organics first hit the market there was a huge push by agribusiness to change the requirements of what could be labeled organic so that the term basically lost all meaning. Killed their competition without lifting a finger
     
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  32. theriner69er

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    If only we had a non-coercible government.....
     
  33. IV

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    You are critiquing a lack of regulation by other entities right now, and no just because I think society can be improved doesn’t mean I refuse to participate in society
     
  34. NCHusker

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    Perhaps global capitalism depends on outsourced child labor to continue existing idk
     
  35. Illinihockey

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    As minimal as possible to achieve what? Public health? Safety? Competition? Environmental protect?
     
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  36. Redav

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    You'd have to eliminate money basically so I'm on board
     
  37. Lyrtch

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    This is a left wing there is no ethical consumption under capitalism take but from the right wing and just saying it's the cost we have to deal with

    Incredible
     
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  38. Equinsu ocha

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    Pretty sure we are mocking the business owner with let the market decide now.
     
  39. Pile Driving Miss Daisy

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    The SC basically just said Nestle can get away with this lol.
     
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  40. theriner69er

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    Yes, I am critiquing lack of regulation, and I clarified my position (government interference in the free market should be as minimal as possible).

    Just understand that your position is that it's evil to have lack of regulation, while you enjoy the "benefits" of lack of regulations.
     
  41. NCHusker

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    He's actually doing the "yet you participate in society" meme
     
  42. AlternativeFactsRule

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    People on here have mocked the idea that people believe there is a market free from government rules establishing how it operates. There is no “free” market. There never has been. There has always been markets that operate within the confines of the governments that allow them to exist.

    In a world where we are the government, we get to change those rules about how markets operate.
     
  43. Redav

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    The natural progression of his argument is the elimination of capitalism but he chokes on that part
     
  44. Drown ‘Em

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    Well only in a government which is built on the idea that pluralism will lead to the “best” policy, but doesn’t have the safeguards in place to ensure that the competing interests on which pluralism relies have fair opportunities to be represented in the policy making process. Which ours doesn’t. Instead, interests which are more well organized and funded almost always control how policy is set.
     
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  45. Illinihockey

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    When people say let the free market decide normally what they are saying is there shouldn’t be any guardrails places on corporations by the government in order to let those corporations make as much money as possible.
     
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  46. Lyrtch

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    I'm so over the moon happy the Austrian school ideology is mostly dead

    What a disaster that has been

    Always fun to see the idiots still championing it though
     
  47. Henry Blake

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    Yep. I mean, Congress seems nearly completely co-opted by moneyed interests and their lobbyists. Good luck getting leg passed for min wage, voters' rights, police reform, etc.
     
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  48. Why do you people do this everytime
     
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  49. Lyrtch

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    What do you mean you people
     
  50. NCHusker

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    The argument is that over a large enough time horizon the well-funded interests will erode the safeguards and bring us right back here.
     
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