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Discussion in 'The Mainboard' started by GoodForAnother, Nov 6, 2020.
I am honestly tired of trying to explain this to people.
It’s go time boys! We got him!
Rachel Maddow is preparing a segment as we speak
Walls are closing in. Surely they'll do something this time...
Man who has never been held accountable in his life will finally be on the hook this time
We live in a theocracy.
good thing we don’t have Sharia
The 5th Circuit might destroy the country before SCOTUS has a chance
Ah well, nevertheless
5th Circuit has to be one of the worst and most conservative right? Just fucking grow a pair of balls and expand the SC and each circuit.
She already had segments filmed just need to edit them together
Maher sucks but this is an accurate prediction of 2022-2024 in this country if Trump doesn’t stroke out
If only there was recourse for the first insurrection of the other crimes Trump committed both before and during office. IF ONLY
Facebook Permits Trump PAC Ads That Question 2020 Election Outcome
Published October 8, 2021
On Wednesday, former President Donald Trump issued a statement justifying the January 6th insurrection at the U.S. Capitol as “a day of protesting the Fake Election results” and calling the November 3rd election “the real insurrection,” while a group associated with him purchased ads on Facebook pushing false messages that suggest the 2020 election “was potentially the MOST CORRUPT in the history of our country.”
But while the content of the ads— paid for by the Save America Joint Fundraising Committee, which is reportedly a joint venture between former President Donald Trump’s Save America leadership PAC and his Make America Great Again PAC– may insinuate that “Trump is the true President,” they may not violate Facebook’s political advertising policies.
“There is a big difference between what Facebook should allow and not allow versus what is legally permissible,” said David Brody, Senior Counsel & Senior Fellow for Privacy and Technology at the Lawyers’ Committee for Civil Rights Under Law. “This is an attempt to spread untruths about the 2020 election.”
In September 2020, Facebook CEO Mark Zuckerberg announced special policies ahead of the November election that addressed false claims of victory or messages that seek to “to delegitimize the outcome of the election,” but it is unclear if these ads would fall into this category. The company’s Vice President of Integrity, Guy Rosen, issued an update to this policy in October 2020 that said Facebook would add context around any post from a candidate that declared “premature victory before a race is called,” which Trump ultimately did.
“It’s possible this doesn’t technically violate the precise text of Facebook’s narrowly written rules,” said Jesse Lehrich, co-founder of Accountable Tech, an advocacy group that pushes for tech reform. “But it flies in the face of their countless proclamations about their commitments to election integrity. It couldn’t be more obvious that the intent of the ads is to perpetuate the Big Lie.”
Accountable Tech joined Common Cause and other progressive groups in a July 2021 letter stating that Facebook’s current policies fail “to consider how public figures can use political committees under their control to violate Facebook’s Community Standards, circumventing enforcement action.”
Trump was banned from Facebook for his role in inciting the deadly January 6 insurrection at the U.S. Capitol. That ban is in place until at least 2023, when the company may reassess it. Facebook has previously stated that posts that constitute circumvention of Trump’s ban on the platform would result in action, but that groups affiliated with him- such as Save America- are free to post and presumably run ads.
“President Trump is suspended from Facebook so he can’t post at all,” Facebook communications director Andy Stone told Politico in a statement in June. “Groups affiliated with the former president are not barred from posting on Facebook so long as they are not posting in his voice.”
But other elements of the ads raise questions about how such policies might be interpreted. For instance, the ads use Trump’s face as the avatar, the same one that he used on his now-banned personal Facebook account.
“The challenge with deplatforming someone like former President Trump is how far the ban extends,” said Katie Harbath, CEO of the consultancy Anchor Change and a former Facebook public policy director. “In this instance can a page use the exact same avatar that Trump used which could mislead people into thinking it’s one of his? Platforms will need to be more specific about this going forward.”
And, the ads may contain other misleading elements. For instance, they indicate the user can click through to participate in a “live poll”, but the landing page is a typical email sign up with a radio button that gives a binary choice between the options “Yes, President Trump was right!” and “No, I’m a Democrat!”. This combination of buttons and text may add up to what Facebook terms “nonexistent functionality,” which is not permitted under its policies.
More platform transparency may help, but it may be time for regulators to bring clarity to such matters, said Matt Perault, Director of the Center on Technology Policy at the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill, and also a former public policy director at Facebook.
“This is a cat and mouse game, and we need stronger guidance from Congress and the Federal Election Commission on the guidelines for political advertising,” said Perault.
Still, Facebook could do more, argues Perault’s UNC colleague, Daniel Kreiss, a professor in the Hussman School of Journalism and Media.
“If you have a democracy-frame on your policies, you would say these ads are clearly designed to question the election outcome. But Facebook doesn’t. It has a narrow interpretation of election disinformation,” said Kreiss.
Checks out. I count nine.
poor paul Gunners
me and bertwing are in if we get more players
Lol oh no
bertwing fix this your website messed up this isn’t my fault
You’re drunk and in the Biden thread
Sorry guys he got off the leash. Bad dog!
How can you not love bd
whats Biden hiden? Bets it’s not a better house like terrible human being, gunners
Or just ignore their rulings. There is no enforcement mechanism for a court with 3 seats that were stolen from the American people.
This will be a thing. Screw out-organizing, blacks feeling disenfranchised again will be the story.
I get that if you don’t pay any attention to how government works (see: shittily), I could understand blaming the inaction on Biden. It’s not in line with reality, of course, but if all you read are clickbait headlines, sure.
The point is that this is all what so many people understand about the voting process. It is wrong to blame Biden solely for this, but that is the reality and it's why at some point he's going to really have to take the gloves off. He needs to basically beckon people to more or less constantly harass Manchin and Sinema so that they don't have to stay in their homes forever without being berated the second they show their faces.
And the most fundamental items on the laundry list appear to be on life support. Like voting rights, police reform, min wage, etc.
These two things are simultaneously true:
The only way to get the legislation passed that we need is by electing more Democrats
The fact that the Democrats have been embarrassing failures at passing legislation makes it less likely that we'll elect more Democrats.
Third, most of the elected democrats of years past are basically Republicans.
And the supply chain will normalize at the beginning of the 2024, right when the GOP takes over.
Obama fixes Bush's fuck ups, starts to get things going again, Trump benefits, Biden fixes the fuck ups, Desantis benefits.
It's a vicious cycle.
Man we really can reach new depths.
He's a competent version of trump. Quite scary
I'd argue they are embarrassing because there arent enough actual Democrats. Democrats do not control the Senate
I mean I get your point, but is he? Florida is an absolute shit show because of his stupidity and trying to mimic Trump.
Seems like that cycle would be something that Ds would want to highlight in their nat'l messaging.
I always feel they fail at messaging because they dont see the things we view as problems as issues to worry about. Even if they lose the Senate most will still have jobs. The entire party needs to get younger and way more left. Those are tue only ones that really care about the country.
Idk where this narrative started but he’s not competent at all
He doesnt say the quiet part out loud, so to some he’s cultured
He’s a literal dipshit but not as openly stupid as the other guy. He’s a Never Trumpers wet dream. Awful and quietly bigoted.
Maybe competent was the wrong word. I do think he's taken much more seriously than Trump that affords him more credibility. He also doesnt have the Trump temper tantrums, which sadly is viewed as competent.
I will say this, and granted it's anecdotal, but it does seem like a lot of the right leaning people who sat out last election, or voted for biden because they couldnt vote for trump, sure seem willing to vote for him.
Because they haven’t really seen him on a national stage outside of friendly news interviews and occasional clips. He’s an absolute moron on the debate dais.
it is definitely the case in Florida but not sure nationally. He does sucks at debating. I have had several that voted Blue up and down ballot defend him…but that was mostly before the Delta wave
Yep. Seems unfixable. New Congressmen are generally integrated into the DC system -- obv there are outliers like the squad, katie porter, etc. If you play ball, you get to stay in the group. If you then get voted out of office, you can be a staff member, lobbyist, etc. Rinse and repeat.