Bidengeddon: Boring, but radical

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  1. VaxRule

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    So let’s just assume the activist court goes ahead and entertains Senator Cruz’s lone suit against Biden. Even if they agree with him that Biden acted inappropriately in a formal ruling, how do they remedy it? I can’t imagine putting the toothpaste back in that tube once it’s out.
     
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    Another grounds for dismissing on standing is that the court is unable to grant effective relief; separately, there’s also a doctrine that federal courts don’t give advisory opinions.
     
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  3. VaxRule

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    So basically what this all adds up to is Diamond Joe (or any president) could cancel all debt and the only way to do anything about it would be to impeach and convict him.
     
  4. Drown ‘Em

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  5. bro

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    Better than nothing, but it is pretty close to nothing
     
  6. jokewood

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    Instead of "go big and take the blow back," the Democratic party is committed to "go small and take the blow back."
     
  7. Z

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    Wiping out all of the debt of 1/3 of total borrowers isn't nothing. I can certainly see the arguments for going bigger, but if done, this is a big deal.
     
  8. naganole

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    Like honestly, Biden needs to get this done and then at least decriminalize cannabis and push through the cannabis banking bill over the next few months. Get the under 40 crowd energized to knock doors during GOTV...
     
  9. Andy Reocho

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    "Yea but I paid all my loans back, so this is bullshit"

    -way too many americans
     
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  10. steamengine

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  11. Redav

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    Having 50% of debtors have theirs cut in half or more is a big time win considering all the losses lately. Enjoy the ones you get
     
  12. bro

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    What if, and listen to this, Ohio just ignored the federal court and did what their Supreme Court ordered?
     
  13. bro

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  14. afb

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    am I too far gone to assume the next decade (until the next census/redistricting) is going to be very hard for Dems to win control of the House?
     
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  15. Henry Blake

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  16. herb.burdette

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    The three judge panel stated it would do this a while ago, so the GOP dominated redistricting commission just refused to draw new maps.

    Basically, the federal court now has told the Ohio Supreme Court how it should interpret the Ohio Constitution.
     
  17. PeterGriffin

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    Wait I forgot how to read, what does this mean for OH?
     
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  18. PeterGriffin

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    Actually, I’ll go ahead and answer my own question: still hopelessly lost to R’s for the foreseeable.
     
  19. Homo Erectus

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    They prefer "Do nothing and blow it.''
     
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  20. Vito Corleone

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    Do nothing and then slightly rally when the other side commits unforgiveable and immeasurable atrocities when in power
     
  21. TAS

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  22. Z

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    Absolutely, and it will be incredibly dumb if the messaging from progressive groups is that it’s not enough and essentially meaningless.

    Now, you also better work at doing something to address the root cause so we’re not here again shortly.
     
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  23. Z

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    You know, I don’t even mind this argument if it’s somebody who has attended college in the last 15-20 years. It’s selfish, but most Americans are, and I get it.

    What I can’t stand are the people who attended college 50+ years ago whining about it. Yeah, you paid for your school. It was also like $250 a semester. So just shut up.
     
  24. Fran Tarkenton

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    and your generation's failures are the reason we are in this mess
     
  25. Corky Bucek

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    This is the de facto politics thread, so I will post it here. I went to the Naval Academy graduation today and Biden spoke. First time seeing a current President or former.
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  26. Lyrtch

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    my buddy asked me to pick him up from his west point graduation and cheney was the speaker

    when the secret service put their mirrors under the car my butt puckered
     
  27. IV

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    thankfully they didn’t see your chem trail creator
     
  28. Corky Bucek

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    Obviously there was a shit load of security around, but to get in it really wasn’t anything crazy. Aside from the long lines which it took over an hour to get inside, but it felt like airport security was much tighter. They didn’t even check the tickets. Just a standard metal detector and pull out your phone and wallet or check the clear purses.
     
  29. BudKilmer

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    I’m old enough to have been on campus when this happened. 2 dudes throwing a frisbee on bowman field who were obv secret service stared me down when I left class and you could have shoved a lump of coal up my ass and gotten the hope Diamond
     
  30. Name P. Redacted

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    Y’all some fraidy cats
     
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  31. Lyrtch

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    to be clear all he told me was "hey pick me up at 5 thursday", I didn't learn until later former vice president and cyborg cheney was there
     
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  32. BudKilmer

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    yeah man. No doubt.
     
  33. slogan119

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    But how much help did he need to get off the stage after?
     
  34. Virgil Caine

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    Unless Cheney spoke at multiple West Point graduations (I'm not looking up whether he did or not), then we were at the same West Point graduation. :peekaboo:
     
  35. TAS

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  36. Marbles

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    I was housing for at least 50. I looked yesterday. I took out 80 in grad plus loans for a private school to be a physician assistant. When they lied to me about going to rehab I lost hope and haven’t been able to pay any of it. Over 10 years it is now at 180k. Fuck the government. I’ll put this shit into deferment until I die. Just needed 50 forgiven for help me buy a house next year.
     
  37. IV

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    fify
     
  38. Doc Louis

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    Nah he just turned a paper in without any footnotes and quoted himself as a source.
     
  39. *DIESEL*

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  40. Corky Bucek

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    Pretty sure the President, VP, and Sec of Defense rotate, so they speak every 3 years.
     
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  41. Pile Driving Miss Daisy

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    They're going to piss off Z, those uppity ungrateful people.
     
  42. Z

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    Not going to piss me off. I think POTUS is doing a good thing.

    I think they’re yet another example of why Democrats/Progressives are terrible at messaging.
     
  43. Pile Driving Miss Daisy

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    If "progressive" groups had that much sway over people showing up to vote then Bernie would have been elected in 2016 and re-elected in 2020. Complaining about peoples' rightful anger of half-measures not doing enough is so fucking annoying.
     
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  44. Z

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    And I think calling wiping out all of half of debt for 50%+ of all student borrowers as a half measure, not doing enough is perfectionism, bad messaging, and annoying, so that’s fine.
     
  45. Pile Driving Miss Daisy

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    Of course it's more helpful than literally doing nothing, but it is a half-measure since it's abundantly clear they could just wipe out all outstanding debt. It's absolutely incredible you'd be angry at people who think this doesn't go far enough, including the NAACP.

    I guarantee if I search your post history you probably said the same thing about protestors who want to defund the police, i.e. their "messaging" is bad.
     
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  46. Z

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    Again, I’m not angry at anybody.

    I just think they’re wrong to act like it’s only some token gesture. And I think when you act like something, that is a pretty big deal, is nothing, it’s terrible messaging.
     
  47. NCHusker

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    Then Biden should do more to avoid this.
     
  48. JGator1

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  49. Lyrtch

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    public polls show constantly that once you get over like 30k forgiveness it gets REALLY unpopular. 10k-20k and means tested is still the most popular spot.

    before you even realize that there will be constant messaging of physicians or lawyer millionaires buying corvettes and shit because of it if you drop all means testing and bump it way up. easy to demagogue that one.
     
  50. Redav

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    I think it's fine the NAACP is pressuring Biden. This is how politics is supposed to work