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  1. cutig

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    And Biden is old as shit. Having someone competent behind him would be a good insurance policy. President Kamala would be awful.
     
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  2. TAS

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    Yeah this. Lots of reasons to give such an important position to someone with better long term prospects.
     
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  3. Daniel Ocean

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    IMO you’re betting on the voting public looking at them and thinking GW is the better candidate. I don’t think that’s what people do where the veep is concerned. I believe dropping a WOC for a white woman would make a lot of POC feel used and betrayed. I don’t think we will agree because we’re approaching this from different view points. You’re looking at it logically and I’m looking at it emotionally.

    Before anyone tries to call me out on something I’m not saying I’m not attempting to say POC are illogical emotional voters. I’m just saying a feeling a betrayal can cause people not to care and not vote.
     
  4. Where Eagles Dare

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    Heard the lines today were short, Sat it was really long. I'll go one day this week
     
  5. Fran Tarkenton

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    No, they were not short. At least not at Bessie Branham and South Dekalb Mall.
     
  6. Where Eagles Dare

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    Yeah, I was told BB was long. Hoping this week isn't too bad
     
  7. Scblue

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    Tell me you don't know black women without telling me you don't know black women.
     
  8. Josey Wales

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    Yes that’s silly. However, and I don’t think this is controversial, people turnout for candidates they really believe will help them and are authentic (if they like them). Kamala would be really terrible.
     
  9. Scblue

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    Don't get me wrong, Kamala sucks. Folks are just kidding themselves if they think replacing her wouldn't bring a lot of blowback from a pretty important demo.
     
  10. Daniel Ocean

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    POC itt: Don’t replace a WOC with a white woman it won’t work out the way you think it will.

    White dudes: replacing a WOC with a white woman will have no bearing whatsoever and if it does it will be a good thing.

    The optics itt are crazy.
     
  11. JGator1

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    "We wrote the doomsday articles about CRIME but now that the election's over we can actually acknowledge it wasn't real and not due to Joe Biden"

     
  12. portlandspartan

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    The we are all trying to find the guy who did this meme
     
  13. Lyrtch

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  14. chet fire

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    1976, fwiw.

    And FDR did it twice!
     
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  15. Lyrtch

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    the Wallace/Truman swap is a great what if on the new deal dems existing much longer vs Truman helping kill it because he was a big business plant
     
  16. Vito Corleone

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    Henry Wallace was born like a good 50 years too early.

    he would still be considered too far left by most today
     
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  17. TAS

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    Everything I've read said the share of black women voters that Clinton/Kaine achieved in 2016 is statistically indistinguishable from the same vote share Biden/Harris achieved in 2020.

    If there's something better out there that says Kamala being on the ticket made a difference, I'd love to see it.
     
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  18. bwi2

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    That’s a different question from “would it hurt to remove her, having put her on the ticket in 2020.” I don’t have the slightest bit of data on that and won’t hazard a guess, but I do think it would be perceived differently from not selecting her in 2020, especially since they’ve failed to find a good role for her that is in any way visible.
     
  19. TAS

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    ok well then I'd like that question answered (with a response other than, "you're not black, so you don't understand")
     
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  20. Scblue

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    Just so we're clear, you're asking whether black female enthusiasm would be dampened by removing the first black female VP who is a member of and is supported by one of the largest black female sororities around and replacing her with a white woman? The same party that black people consistently complain about taking them for granted as a voting block? You're asking why this may potentially be seen as an issue? Just want to make sure we're on the same page here.
     
  21. Daniel Ocean

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    when was the last time a potus running for reelection removed the veep from the ticket? How do you think removing a WOC for a white woman would be seen by POC? As a white male you don’t know why that would be such a big deal. Sorry if you don’t believe that’s the case.
     
  22. TAS

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    Sure. In your opinion, would black women stay home and not vote for Biden in statistically large enough numbers specifically because he removed her from the ticket?

    And would that outweigh the benefit of a "better" VP?

    I don't think the answer is 100% yes
     
  23. Scblue

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    Yes, I think some would and more importantly it would further harm the relationship the party has with black people overall and have folks further questioning the strong support that's been given.
     
  24. TAS

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    Instead of focusing so much on my race, let's focus on the fact that POC, specially black voters, did not favor Kamala in the 2020 primaries. She was running behind Biden, Bernie, and sometimes Warren.

    Again, I understand that representation matters I the grand scheme of society. Specifically for the sake of 2024 and near term presidential elections, I don't buy that it's a lock Kamala is the best choice for VP
     
  25. bwi2

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    The other thing to remember - especially relevant in Georgia - is that GOTV efforts have to combat state sanctioned efforts to suppress the black vote. Black turnout was lower in 2020 than 2016 and I think the literature links that to voter suppression more than the candidates. That won’t get any better in two years given the failure to pass meaningful laws in the last two.
     
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  26. seanofthedead86

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    I don't think anyone is arguing this. Pretty sure everyone agrees she sucks.
     
  27. TAS

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    Yeah this is much more of a concern for me regarding 2022. Locally, the democratic Harris County (Houston, TX) is being subjected to repeated legal attacks from the republican state office holders regarding the previous elections, which were big wins for Ds

    And it seems that will be the playbook nationwide for 2024, disputing any and all Dem victories, on top of all other voter suppression tactics already on the books.
     
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  28. TAS

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    I don't see 2024 as Biden just needing to hold serve, I think it will be a tougher election the 2nd time around, so the fact she sucks worries me a little bit. It's also going to suck having wasted the spot on her whenever the Dem presidential nomination is open again.

    I'm not even sold that making a move would actually be a net good, I just wish it was a bit more open for discussion considering how little anyone likes Kamala.
     
  29. seanofthedead86

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    Like her or not, Kamala is a historical figure in this country. You can't just cut bait that easily, especially when she represents the most underserved group in this country.
     
  30. Daniel Ocean

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    im focusing on your race because I believe being a white male keeps you from understanding the betrayal black people would feel if this happened. You guys are suggesting to do something that isn’t ever done. I can’t think of a time a veep was replaced and to do it with the first WOC would be beyond dumb.
     
  31. Doc Louis

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    What if she's replaced with someone more likeable, like AOC?
     
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  32. Name P. Redacted

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    Are my fellow white dudes just trolling or what
     
  33. AIOLICOCK

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  34. BudKilmer

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    I regret to inform you that the whites are at it again
     
  35. pearl

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    TAS - You’re not black, so you wouldn’t understand.

    - Signed, a black person
     
  36. Beeds07

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    You’re looking at it too big picture. As an overall, I get your point somewhat, but if you breakdown the places where the election is decided like Atlanta, Detroit, and Milwaukee, walk me through the risk/reward of replacing the first black VP with a white woman? When we’re talking 20k votes in three states is the idea of setting up the party for 2028 worth even theoretically losing in 2024?

    To add, the VP is mostly a figurehead that does nothing. I get that if the POTUS is near 90 then maybe it’s different, but who was the last VP that even remotely mattered? The idea that Kamala is holding the party back is laughable when two months ago the general idea was the party sucks and is full of cowards.

    This is all really dumb TBQH.
     
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  37. $P1

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    Forest, trees, and whatnot
     
  38. Anison

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    What part of every black person here telling you how it would be taken isn’t perfectly clear?

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  39. Beeds07

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    If the result wasn’t full on fascism because of horrible white people voting against their self interest, I’d love to let people see what these races would look like if black folks, especially black women, didn’t stand up and organize and vote. No voting bloc is taken for granted more than black women, who consistently save this country with little in return.

    But sure, let’s keep chasing that elusive white soccer mom vote.
     
  40. Bo Pelinis

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    The white soccer mom who likely won't actually vote for Gretchen Whitmer even if she was a presidential candidate, let alone VP. Very few people love hating white women with money more than white women with money.
     
  41. Josey Wales

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    I seem to recall definite excitement for turning out on behalf of the first black, female VP. Understandably so.

    Did Kamala’s record in CA particularly help the black community? Has she been well received as the VP?

    Im not suggesting Biden replace kamala because I’m ignorant to the importance of a key D voting bloc, I’m suggesting it because I think many will assume the VP will be president during a second Biden term and that person should have a damn good track record to run on and oh ya not be widely scoffed at.
     
  42. Truman

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    I get it's the internet and all. However, sometimes it's ok to just admit you where wrong. You didnt consider some aspect of your take, instead of doubling down.
     
  43. TAS

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    Detroit and Milwaukee, I'd say the current (and very popular) governor of Michigan is a stronger VP play than Kamala. Atlanta, idk, but I seriously doubt Kamala is uniquely popular there either. Biden himself (along with the generic D label) seems to be stronger in the black belt than Kamala herself, but maybe I'm wrong.

    Joe Biden is the president solely because he was the last Dem VP. I would say that's a pretty important part of the equation most seem to ignore.
     
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  44. Fran Tarkenton

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    if Warnock wins then I think its likely the DNC awards the convention to Atlanta
     
  45. Name P. Redacted

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    this sounds adjacent to logging off and that aint gonna happen
     
  46. Beeds07

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    I’ll ask again, are you willing to risk potential turnout on this? I can’t necessarily quantify this and it appears that you can’t either, so is the risk/reward worth it because you want a “better setup” for 2028?

    To add again, I’m fairly certain I have more access to black women voters than you. Even in this limited sample size I can say I have relatives that did not follow politics at all that voted because someone that looks like them is on the ticket. I think Whitmer is probably a better choice long term, but with such narrow margins, what is really gained?
     
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  47. afb

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    It would appear lame duck Congress is the equivalent of off season shit posting ideas
     
  48. Doc Louis

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    The equivalent of things like "What if the defense has a playclock to get their own calls and substitutions in before the play is run?"
     
  49. VaxRule

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    Should America have a better VP? Yes. Undeniably yes.

    Should Biden deliberately piss off a large, loyal voting block to gain absolutely no new voters in return? Of course not. Stop being stupid.