Bidengeddon: Do a socialism, old man

Discussion in 'The Mainboard' started by GoodForAnother, Nov 6, 2020.

  1. Redav

    Redav My favorite meat is hotdog
    Donor

    Biden can leave a lot to be desired in immigration without making arguments in bad faith like misframing the migrant facility or the 26,000 number which I've never seen the citation for.

    Biden's had executive orders halting deportations struck down by courts. There's also work being done on an immigration bill so courts can't undo it. I think this stuff takes more than 4 weeks to fix.
     
    Sub-Zero, Anison, Duck70 and 16 others like this.
  2. electronic

    electronic It’s satire!
    Donor
    Georgia BulldogsCharlotte Hornets


    *some
     
  3. Dillingham

    Dillingham Well-Known Member
    Donor TMB OG

    [​IMG]
    [​IMG]
     
  4. Pile Driving Miss Daisy

    Pile Driving Miss Daisy It angries up the blood
    Donor
    Texas LonghornsAtlanta BravesAtlanta HawksAtlanta FalconsAtlanta UnitedGeorgia Southern Eagles

    Literally the first story I heard this morning on my local NPR station is how an immigration detention camp in Southwest Georgia is still seeing COVID infections which are still killing people. It takes an immense amount of privilege to say it is puritanism that I want such a place to no longer exist.
     
    sho nuff likes this.
  5. BayouMafia

    BayouMafia slowly learning that life is ok
    Staff Donor
    LSU TigersTexas RangersNew Orleans SaintsFulhamWrexham AFCDulwich Hamlet

    always fun at election time here in Texas to see guys like John Cornyn in a pristine shooting jacket holding a rifle in one frame, then in jeans and a cowboy hat next to a horse in the next, then in a hard hat and rolled up sleeves at an oil field. Mix in a couple of action shots of talking in front of a small group with animated hand gestures, and then for maximum effect add sinister black and white images of AOC and Pelosi at the end, and baby you got a recipe for success
     
  6. Fran Tarkenton

    Fran Tarkenton Well-Known Member
    Donor
    Wake Forest Demon Deacons

    Harold Melton on deck
     
  7. dblplay1212

    dblplay1212 Well-Known Member
    Donor TMB OG
    Alabama Crimson TideNew York YankeesJacksonville JaguarsSneakers

    Dragging Capitol Police in front of Congress to answer why they failed comes off pretty shitty imo. It was 10k vs 500. They didn't have the support they should have. It's that simple. Hold up the picture from BLM protests this summer and then what it looked like on 1/6. That's all you need to know. Now go find out why that was the case. Blaming them is bullshit.
     
    Prospector and Cawgs or Gie! like this.
  8. RonBurgundy

    RonBurgundy Well-Known Member

    Must be some right wing media talking point/lie about Biden wanting to shut down all private/Christian schools making the rounds because kids in both of my kids’ classes were saying that Joe Biden was going to shut down their school.

    parents who talk extremist politics with their young children are the fucking worst.
     
  9. CaneKnight

    CaneKnight Well-Known Member
    Donor

    We're talking about people's lives dude. Kidnapped kids and shit, I bet if someone started hunting ICE agents for sport they'd take a tougher stance on stopping that person than on ICE and deportations in general.

    It's becoming obvious they also see immigrants as sub human they're just slightly nicer about it
     
    #6309 CaneKnight, Feb 23, 2021
    Last edited: Feb 23, 2021
    Dump, Eamudo229, BellottiBold and 3 others like this.
  10. NYGator

    NYGator Well-Known Member
    Donor
    Florida GatorsNew York YankeesNew York GiantsNew York City Football ClubTottenham HotspurUnited States Men's National Soccer Team

    Covid is still killing people everywhere. Is this unique to these camps? Biden didn't pledge to end covid in three weeks.
     
  11. NYGator

    NYGator Well-Known Member
    Donor
    Florida GatorsNew York YankeesNew York GiantsNew York City Football ClubTottenham HotspurUnited States Men's National Soccer Team

    Now you are taking what I said out of context for some point that we are probably both in agreement with. Not really sure where and why you went with this.
     
  12. Illinihockey

    Illinihockey Well-Known Member
    Chicago CubsChicago BullsChicago BearsChicago BlackhawksIllinois Fightin' IlliniLiverpool

    I coach 12 year olds and I saw one of them got a Trump flag for Christmas. I heard him in the locker room saying how if Biden won there were going to be riots all over. Fuck his stupid parents.
     
    IV, Prospector, Dump and 3 others like this.
  13. Lyrtch

    Lyrtch My second favorite meat is hamburger
    Staff Donor

    theres many issues where the left wing of the dem party has huge popular support and should just advocate for those policies on their face

    immigration is not one of those, probably the singular issue where the left is way out of popularity, as seen by Bidens immigration moves being by far his least popular (refugee cap for example).

    the propaganda spouted from the more activist wing of extremely online people (Uhl/Grim at times/etc) is very counter productive, the group with power and popular support for their positions have no real need to listen especially if an actual real discussion is impossible due to the fact gap.
     
  14. CaneKnight

    CaneKnight Well-Known Member
    Donor

    Psssshhh I'd call him the greatest president of all time if he did that.
     
    Dump and Truman like this.
  15. BudKilmer

    BudKilmer Well-Known Member
    Donor TMB OG
    Atlanta HawksAtlanta FalconsDemocratAvengersAntifa

  16. Pile Driving Miss Daisy

    Pile Driving Miss Daisy It angries up the blood
    Donor
    Texas LonghornsAtlanta BravesAtlanta HawksAtlanta FalconsAtlanta UnitedGeorgia Southern Eagles

    These people don't have a choice though, good lord.
     
  17. Mister Me Too

    Mister Me Too Well-Known Member
    Donor TMB OG
    New York MetsNew York KnicksNew York Jets

    Cute meme, but there is a major difference between separating kids from their families and having somewhere for kids to stay while they search for their family members.
     
  18. Cawgs or Gie!

    Cawgs or Gie! The next Jordy Nelson, obviously.
    Donor
    Georgia BulldogsAtlanta BravesAtlanta FalconsAtlanta UnitedLiverpool

    In case anyone wants to know what the article said, the facility was added to help hold those that can't stay in existing facilities due to covid capacity restrictions. Apparently the administration is taking steps to reduce the covid risk in migrant facilities.

    Further, the facility if housing only unaccompanied minors most of which are coming to stay with sponsors. Once background checks have been done on sponsors minors will be released to stay with them while they complete the immigration process.

    Goal is for minors to be in facility less than 30 days. HHS rep.explains that while not ideal the alternative to temporary detention in these facilities would be an unaccompanied minor being homeless on the street. Seems they are doing their best to mitigate shitty circumstances.
     
    PAHokie, DistantFactor, Dump and 5 others like this.
  19. NYGator

    NYGator Well-Known Member
    Donor
    Florida GatorsNew York YankeesNew York GiantsNew York City Football ClubTottenham HotspurUnited States Men's National Soccer Team

    This feels like part of a much bigger discussion where you are injecting horrible outcomes to prove a point that I am likely in agreement with you on. I am not sure what you are suggesting we do versus what we are doing to solve this, given the time frame of a few weeks. Of course I am not for killing innocent people or policies that hurt them.
     
  20. NYGator

    NYGator Well-Known Member
    Donor
    Florida GatorsNew York YankeesNew York GiantsNew York City Football ClubTottenham HotspurUnited States Men's National Soccer Team

    Yes, this is my point. I read the article and viewed most of it as a positive. Biden admin is taking incremental steps to reduce the risk. It's not perfect but certainly this article is a step in the right direction, while not solving the overall bigger immigration issue.
     
    Cawgs or Gie! likes this.
  21. CaneKnight

    CaneKnight Well-Known Member
    Donor

    I'm not taking what you said out of context, I'm explaining to you why the Biden administration is being met with outrage and pushback over this shit. ESPECIALLY after ICE straight up ignored him. That should've gotten the fucking hammer brought down on them and they did nothing. Just let them continue to do awful shit. It's becoming pretty obvious they're perfectly fine with ICE's actions.
     
  22. The Banks

    The Banks TMB's Alaskan
    Donor TMB OG
    Oregon DucksGreen Bay PackersDetroit Red WingsBayern Munich

    Are they blaming the individual officers?

    If not, I’m guessing they are asking them why there weren’t more hands on deck like the BLM protests.

    Getting that explanation from their POV seems like a good thing.
     
  23. Redav

    Redav My favorite meat is hotdog
    Donor

    And the reason they need to reopen the facility is because Biden has begun accepting unaccompanied minors into the country.
     
    Duck70, Dump, Blu Tang Clan and 5 others like this.
  24. dblplay1212

    dblplay1212 Well-Known Member
    Donor TMB OG
    Alabama Crimson TideNew York YankeesJacksonville JaguarsSneakers

    Idk I guess we'll see. All of that stuff is way above their pay grades, I would think.
     
  25. Pile Driving Miss Daisy

    Pile Driving Miss Daisy It angries up the blood
    Donor
    Texas LonghornsAtlanta BravesAtlanta HawksAtlanta FalconsAtlanta UnitedGeorgia Southern Eagles

    You are the one who wanted to say I'm being a puritan over something that Biden has immense control over. We can likely immediately implement measures that freaking make these people safer before we hopefully get rid of these detention centers completely. Even Obama implemented a very successful "catch and release" policy to dealing with undocumented people.
     
  26. The Banks

    The Banks TMB's Alaskan
    Donor TMB OG
    Oregon DucksGreen Bay PackersDetroit Red WingsBayern Munich

    That’s why I’m asking, who are they interviewing, random officers or the top brass?
     
  27. NYGator

    NYGator Well-Known Member
    Donor
    Florida GatorsNew York YankeesNew York GiantsNew York City Football ClubTottenham HotspurUnited States Men's National Soccer Team

    Like I said, I suspect that this problem will be worked on over time. I don't recall a Biden promise to abolish ICE. They clearly need to be reformed at the very minimum. I think most of us are highly skeptical that most of the people who are part of ICE are capable of reform. That said, this is a bigger issue that needs to be solved with legislation and major reform and anyone expecting a few week resolution was not being fair or reasonable.
     
    DistantFactor likes this.
  28. NYGator

    NYGator Well-Known Member
    Donor
    Florida GatorsNew York YankeesNew York GiantsNew York City Football ClubTottenham HotspurUnited States Men's National Soccer Team

    He did, and appears to be working on more. He expanded the facilities to reduce the congestion and hopefully slow the spread.

    Pretty sure the country would have a collective freak out right now if we reinstituted catch and release during a pandemic. I don't suspect this would be very popular right now.
     
  29. dblplay1212

    dblplay1212 Well-Known Member
    Donor TMB OG
    Alabama Crimson TideNew York YankeesJacksonville JaguarsSneakers

    idk how high these guys rank and who is above them

    All four of the requested witnesses are slated to testify during today's Senate hearing on the Jan. 6 Capitol attack, according to two sources familiar with the plans.

    The Senate Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs and Senate Rules committees invited the following witnesses to testify based on their critical roles in security planning for the joint session of Congress on Jan. 6:

    • Metropolitan Police Acting Chief Robert Contee
    • Former House Sergeant at Arms Paul Irving
    • Former Senate Sergeant at Arms Michael Stenger
    • Former United States Capitol Police Chief Steven Sund
    As CNN previously reported, a committee aide described Tuesday’s hearing as a first opportunity to get answers to key questions surrounding the events of Jan. 6, including why the response from law enforcement was delayed and why the rioters were allowed to breach the building.
     
    The Banks likes this.
  30. CaneKnight

    CaneKnight Well-Known Member
    Donor

    Now you're taking what I said out of context. Abolishing ICE and stopping them from commiting obvious human rights violations are very different things. Like not allowing a government agency to commit human rights violations is bottom of the barrel on things that you should be doing in the early days in office, I refuse to listen to any bullshit about that stopping human rights violations needing to take time.
     
  31. NYGator

    NYGator Well-Known Member
    Donor
    Florida GatorsNew York YankeesNew York GiantsNew York City Football ClubTottenham HotspurUnited States Men's National Soccer Team

    Good point. The alternative is they are stuck on the other side of the border likely in much worse facilities and squalor.
     
  32. The Banks

    The Banks TMB's Alaskan
    Donor TMB OG
    Oregon DucksGreen Bay PackersDetroit Red WingsBayern Munich

    Police chief seems pretty high when questioning a police department. Getting this guy’s official version seems like a good thing.
     
  33. NYGator

    NYGator Well-Known Member
    Donor
    Florida GatorsNew York YankeesNew York GiantsNew York City Football ClubTottenham HotspurUnited States Men's National Soccer Team

    Again, I think we are in agreement. Sometimes I am not always clear on what point you are making because your writing style doesn't provide all of the context for your argument, and we are on a message board.
     
  34. 40wwttamgib

    40wwttamgib Fah Q

    we could only be so lucky
     
    IV, Dump, slogan119 and 4 others like this.
  35. BP

    BP Bout to Regulate.
    Donor
    Atlanta BravesGeorgia BulldogsAtlanta Falcons

    An issue not being talked about much is that the UAC sometimes cross with someone other than immediate family, so we have to separate them, by law. e.g. uncles or aunts Sometimes they are crossing with someone posing as a family member, a legit friend of the family, but they still have to be separated or they cross with an immediate family member, but that family member has a criminal record/will be prosecuted. Our border facilities are made for short term stays and aren't equipped to handle mass family groups. The system hasn't seen these types of influxes before and are sorely lacking.
     
  36. electronic

    electronic It’s satire!
    Donor
    Georgia BulldogsCharlotte Hornets

    Also, fuck Biden for not abolishing ICE.
     
  37. Pile Driving Miss Daisy

    Pile Driving Miss Daisy It angries up the blood
    Donor
    Texas LonghornsAtlanta BravesAtlanta HawksAtlanta FalconsAtlanta UnitedGeorgia Southern Eagles

    How on Earth would that be unpopular right now, it was popular under Obama and had a very successful rate of people returning to their court dates. It would seem even more sensible because it would let people not be forced in cramped conditions where they're likely to get sick.
     
  38. Cawgs or Gie!

    Cawgs or Gie! The next Jordy Nelson, obviously.
    Donor
    Georgia BulldogsAtlanta BravesAtlanta FalconsAtlanta UnitedLiverpool

    If private school kids had to go to public schools they would be cathedrals
     
  39. Mister Me Too

    Mister Me Too Well-Known Member
    Donor TMB OG
    New York MetsNew York KnicksNew York Jets

    If the US is serious about addressing the immigration problem then the US will have to work with the UN to try to address problems in the countries that people are fleeing from, basically all the Central and South American countries that the US fucked up. This will never happen because it would require the US to admit its failures and this country would never do that.
     
  40. NYGator

    NYGator Well-Known Member
    Donor
    Florida GatorsNew York YankeesNew York GiantsNew York City Football ClubTottenham HotspurUnited States Men's National Soccer Team

    When I say now, I am literally talking about right now. I am for it in general. I just think that it will be spun so badly right now against the backdrop of trying to solve covid, and creating false narratives of how Biden is sending "illegal immigrants" out across the country to spread covid. I think it could be used to hurt his current covid messaging and create noise that could detract from the current focus.
     
  41. Cawgs or Gie!

    Cawgs or Gie! The next Jordy Nelson, obviously.
    Donor
    Georgia BulldogsAtlanta BravesAtlanta FalconsAtlanta UnitedLiverpool

    There was a good malcolm gladwell podcast on the origins of immigration restrictions at the border. It's a relatively new thing. A former marine was put in charge back in the 50s I think and only thought of enforcement like running a POW camp. Prior to immigrants from mexico would mostly come for seasonal jobs and go back home rather than get stuck here. Immigration wasn't really a problem

    I'll see if I can link it.
     
    NYGator likes this.
  42. Cawgs or Gie!

    Cawgs or Gie! The next Jordy Nelson, obviously.
    Donor
    Georgia BulldogsAtlanta BravesAtlanta FalconsAtlanta UnitedLiverpool

    Here is the link:

    https://podcasts.google.com/?feed=a...3NTEwYTAtMThjNS0xMWU4LWJiZGQtZGY2YzZkMTBmM2Qy


    Chapman retired from the Marine Corps on January 1, 1972, and became Commissioner of the Immigration and Naturalization Service, retiring in 1977.

    Malcolm Gladwell has argued that Chapman's efficient and rigorous enforcement of US borders—ironically stemming from Chapman's idealism and military background—inadvertently created a rise in the population of unauthorized immigrants in the United States. (The Mexican border had been a porous border characterized by circular immigration; stricter enforcement raised the cost of crossing the border and incentivized border crossers to stay longer to justify the cost.)
     
    Dump, slogan119, Eamudo229 and 4 others like this.
  43. cutig

    cutig My name is Rod, and I like to party
    Donor
    Clemson TigersNebraska CornhuskersCarolina Panthers

    Roger Marshall is a moron
     
    GoodForAnother and cyclist like this.
  44. CoastalOrange

    CoastalOrange Well-Known Member
    Donor
    Clemson TigersTennessee VolunteersBarcelonaUnited States Men's National Soccer TeamLiverpool

    I'm good enough, I'm smart enough, and gosh darn it, people like me!
     
    IV, Dump, NYGator and 2 others like this.
  45. Redav

    Redav My favorite meat is hotdog
    Donor

  46. herb.burdette

    herb.burdette Meet me at the corner of 8th and Worthington
    Donor
    Ohio State Buckeyes

    I used to read the NYT everyday as my primary news source in the late 90’s and early 00’s. It’s sad what it has become.
     
    IV likes this.
  47. steamengine

    steamengine I don’t want to press one for English!
    Donor
    Houston AstrosHouston RocketsLiverpoolTexas Tech Red Raiders altHouston Oilers

    The most racist trumpy person I know posted this like three weeks ago on Instagram. You’re late AF.
     
  48. IV

    IV Freedom is the right of all sentient beings
    Donor TMB OG
    Alabama Crimson TideUAB BlazersDemocratAvengersBirmingham LegionUnited States Men's National Soccer Team

    lol
     
  49. AlternativeFactsRule

    AlternativeFactsRule Mmm ... Coconuts
    Donor TMB OG
    Michigan WolverinesSwansea

    The immigration discussions always run into another problem that we don't really discuss but frames the entire conversation you're having with someone.

    Some posters feel that borders should only apply to strictly government actions/authority (ours and others). And that borders shouldn't limit the free movement of people (and/or trade). Some posters feel that borders shouldn't just be restricting government actions but should also place some limits on people (and/or trade).

    If you don't have the ideological understanding of how the person you're talking with feels about those things, you'll not have a very productive discussion about policy.
     
  50. Cawgs or Gie!

    Cawgs or Gie! The next Jordy Nelson, obviously.
    Donor
    Georgia BulldogsAtlanta BravesAtlanta FalconsAtlanta UnitedLiverpool

    There's a third position that many probably have. We don't fucking know the right answer because it's really fucking complicated. I just don't want to be cruel to immigrants in the process and want them to be treated humanely. I don't know enough about the subject to have any firm positions beyond that but I'm open to hearing all the takes provided they come with facts.