UK Politics: Brexit, Tories, Labour, Scotties, IRA, etc.

That's an absolutely asinine point of view.

Plenty of non far right/left extremists have supported leaving the EU due to the lack of democratic accountability.

 

Someone should have told those dumb Britons they were starting WWIII

 

Your math is off

 

Yeah, that was the total electorate, only 67% or so turnout. I knew it was 62% for remain, read the article about the results too quickly.

 

You are such a kuck its not even funny anymore. You are so terrified of being called a racist you hate Nationalism and you donated to HAMAS

 

guess who's back, guess who's back, guess who's back, dun nuh nah

 

in what convoluted way does todd think eho donated to hamas?

 

I wanted to come back to this, if you think people like David Davis, Nigel Lawson, Mervyn King, James Dyson, Gisela Stuart, Frank Field, late Tony Benn, late Dennis Healey, Digby Jones, etc. are far right/left extremist then you are about as ignorant on the subject as you could possibly be.

 

Todd is a moron

 

Because he donated to CAIR and bragged about it, then Hoss Bonaventure and a few other idiots did too.

https://www.the-mainboard.com/index...re-plan-of-2017.166115/page-499#post-11414197

 

I'd have a hard time criticizing someone else's opinion (even though his was unbelievably stupid), when you liked one of the dumbest posts in the entire thread.

 

Taffy , only Brit I can think of on here, just curious, were you a remainder or leaver?

 

I could not echo the sentiment in your direction more. But I recognize your weird obsession with UK politics has biased your opinions on the matter.

My opinion is formulated more beyond selective reading from right-wing perspectives. My girlfriend works/lives in London. None of the people there (since you played that idiotic game with Northern Ireland) favor Brexit nor acknowledge it as a net positive. Londoners view it as an embarrassment and bad for business. You are largely advocating a position held by the non-educated, working-class; despite your roll call of authors.

 

I couldn't care less where your girlfriend works, and it does absolutely zero to back up your point.

There are substantial potential downsides to Britain leaving the EU, particularly in the financial sector. I'm not so idiotic to ignore that.

You however made an astoundingly stupid, and false statement. Makes sense to try and gloss over it now.

And I don't think I listed a single author.

 

Nice appeal to authority.

 

Hey his girlfriend is against it and doesn't know anybody in London who isn't!

Forget 17.5 million people voted to leave, mainstream politicians from all spectrums supported leave, economist/former governors of the Bank of England, and businessmen, some like Dysom who had even supported Euro membership in the past supported leave, it was only fringed far-right and extreme left people who are uneducated and poor who thought so.

Because hey, his girlfriend said so. Anybody who has actually studied it and is knowledgeable about it, has a weird obsession.

 

The American quest to make Brexit about America will never not be embarrassing

 

yeah, its no secret London is pro-EU. What he's saying is comparable to saying "Trump could never win b/c all the people I know in New York think he's terrible."

 

I didn't vote. It sounds ridiculous, but I had no strong feelings towards the result either way. There's a strong feeling of lack of democracy within the EU here (And lots of other places in Europe judging by other uprisings), but the flip side is unknown.

The only thing that bugs me is that people who are strongly pro Brexit are generally right wing idiots who oppose the EU for all the wrong reasons.

That said, I'm pretty confident we'll be ok out of the EU.

 

I will say though: We're a fucking funny bunch.

 

Yeah, the campaign was pretty farcical on both sides.

It wasn't a fair fight back in the 70s, but I've watched that Tony Benn/Roy Jenkins debate, and you got nothing this time like that, an actual clash of ideas/principles rather than total propaganda.

I'm not even left wing, but man you have to miss Tony Benn. Shame he couldn't have held on for a few more years.

 

I appreciate your contributions itt, but I must say that citing the electorate's decision isn't necessarily a ringing endorsement

 

Yeah, either side could've convinced a lot more people if they had a better campaign.

 

Not saying they made right choice. Just saying I think the fact that so many voted for it, sort of shows that the view isn't only held by the political extremes. All I was getting at there.

 

I don't think there's any doubt about that, I'm just worried about what could happen next.

Do you have strong feelings either way about the EU with the UK removed?

 

I think the idea of the EU is fantastic, but it's turned into a bureaucratic mess, with too much meddling in minor affairs of member states. If they concentrated on the bigger issues, it could be great.

 

Somewhere it went from free trade union and free migration zone to supergovernmental bureaucracy. I realize it's hard to do the former without the latter, but I think the root of the problem is simply differing visions of what the thing should be.

And the UK has had those concerns long before any of this modern tiff over globalism v. nationalism.

 

Yeah, this.

A lot of people were pushing for a referendum a long time before we got one.

 

I hate Brexit for the selfish fact that I can no longer get a job easily in London as an EU citizen. Hoping they come up with a process that doesn't make it impossible to get a work visa like it is currently for most Americans.

 

I know some people working on the legal side of this. For Gibraltar. They should go for it, imo.

 

Damn, I was hoping to spend my retirement in Gibraltar.

 

It's interesting and a big Whoops by May.

 

Dodging monkeys doesn't sound like a fun retirement.

 

Who's dodging them?

I was there a couple of years ago and they stayed mainly on the mountain side. Such a chill place, going to try and get back next year with the family.

 

I get all my news from the dailymail because I like being sensationalized and outraged about things that may not actually be true.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...eys-native-North-Africa-lost-fear-people.html

 

If you love sensationalism and outrage, but hate brown people and Eastern Europeans, then keep on reading.

 

I like that Wikipedia now deems it an unreliable source.

 

Now we've got a snap general election for June 8th.

Taffy is Labour really going to be crushed under Corbyn? A YouGov poll I saw had the Conservatives on 48%.

 

Corbyn is still a thing?

 

Yup and the Labour Party is bleeding out. They lost a seat in a special election back in March that was held by them since 1935.

Found a seat forecast based on that 48% poll:



Worse than the Conservative defeat of 1997.

 

Right, I was being a tad sarcastic. I knew things were looking rough, so my comment was more "how is Corbyn still a thing?" Tons of defections, lots of people calling for his head, but nothing has happened yet.

May is pretty cunning calling for this election because Labour is in a really tough spot and will have a short window to turn it around and make a showing.

http://www.politico.eu/article/jeremy-corbyn-seven-weeks-to-save-labour-party-wipeout/

 

Basically, yes.
May is framing this as giving people a democratic choice, but in reality she is doing it now because the other parties are weak at the moment.
In a way, the political situation here is similar to the USA - the tories are in no great shape, but they have got their shit together better than Labour - who are still divided under Corbyn. Difficult to see this going any other way than Conservative.