Quite a bit going on the first two weeks. Pretty excited about the overall direction of the team. The defense is legit. Lead the NFL in takeaways and towards the top in sacks. Absolutely hate trading Gordon. You've come this far with him, and the straw that breaks the camel's back is this? Rather have them ride it out. A "stay together just for the kids" kind of marriage. How does everyone feel about Tyrod so far? Keep him in or is it Bakers time to shine?
Tyrod hasn't been great but we could easily be 2-0. This is a must win game on Thursday not only for the Browns but for Tyrod as well.
This team is definitely vastly improved from the past few years. We are a compotent kicker from being 2-0. I'm disappointed in the Gordon trade, but I get it. Also, and I cannot preach this enough, keep playing Tyrod and keep Baker on the bench. Ideally, Baker doesn't play a meaningful snap all year. We are not a super bowl contender- why rush the kid?
I'm on the other side of this argument, and I'd say that the reason you listed is exactly why he should be playing. What is there to gain by playing Tyrod all year and going 6-9-1 (nice)? Let Baker make his rookie mistakes in a lost year and be prepared for next year when we could sniff .500. I think we'd all agree we're not looking at Kizer-level play if Baker were named starter. He's miles more prepared to lead an NFL offense.
I hear you - but the last 785 quarterbacks we've drafted in the 1st round were rushed out there too early and had their confidence shot. This is maybe the first time since the expansion we've had a capable starter under center in Tyrod.
It's just been like clockwork over the past 20 years- Browns draft a QB into a bad situation, rush him into playing time, his confidence is shot by the end of the year, and he is no longer on our team by year 2 or 3. You're paying Tyrod $14M guaranteed this year. Let him run with it. Let Baker sit back, learn, get practice reps, and take over next year.
Let Baker sir and learn. Look at Maholmes. He sat a year and is now lighting it up. He’s said it wouldn’t have gone well if he was out there last year. I understand the idea of feet to the fire, but putting someone in a bad spot could hurt them as much as help.
This. If Zane makes those kicks and the Browns are 2-0, there is zero talk of Baker starting. Let it ride with Tyrod for now.
Why? Winning doesn't change the play. Tyrod was trash in the first game and slightly better than trash last week. I have no clue if Baker is ready or not so I'm not staying either way on that, but tyrod has not been good in any sense of the word and you drafted a QB #1 overall. There's plenty of reason to want him to play as a fan
I’d support getting Baker a few series each game if they aren’t going to start him, just so he can get a little game experience and exposure to the speed of the game. That would, IMO, help him learn more during this “redshirt” year.
Cause you're winning...why would you throw in a rookie quarterback when you are winning games and paying a vet 14 mil. So imagine they are 2-0 and Hue decides to start Baker and they go 0-2 and his numbers are average. What does that do to this confidence? The fans belief in him. Hue undoubtedly gets fired. That is really just plain stupid.
It's not stupid if he's ready and the better player. Which there is no way any of us could know this and hue hasn't done anything for anyone to believe he's making the right call, either. Tyrod playing like shit has given plenty of people reason to want to improve on the position whether you miss the kicks or not.
In a vacuum maybe. Considering the Browns history of rushing rookie QBs in and ruining them it would be so beyond idiotic to start him game 3 if they were 2-0. I can't believe I'm even having to argue this.
The browns history has literally nothing to do with any of this. The uniform means nothing. The city means nothing. It's an entirely different front office and team. What happened with terrible QBs that were over drafted in the past is entirely irrelevant to Baker mayfield.
Has Tyrod really been that bad though? Game against the steelers was an absolute slopfest in terms of the weather. 15-40 (not good) 197 yds 1 td 1 int - but he had 77 yards rushing and a TD Saints game he was - 22-30 246 yds 1 td 1 int - seems OK
He can't and won't throw the ball down the field. The only time he did it at all was the throw to Callaway. He's dinking and dunking and refusing to throw to open wide receivers (or under throwing them like against Pittsburgh). I don't know why he does it or what happens when he under throws it because he can throw deeper, but your offense is seriously hindered when they know you don't need to defend the deep ball. The yards per attempt is abysmal
did anyone look at this team before the season and say - you know, if they had a better kicker they could probably start the year 2-0? Of all positions, the fucking kicker is killing us?? I think this is the best worst-case scenario. Haven't won a game, but looked legitimately good, despite some poor offensive play.
I put zero merit for QB play in the Steelers game. That was just atrocious weather to pass in. Blocking, route running, throws...everything was impacted in a big way.
Gregg Williams I actually like, I'd like to see Haley with a QB that can actually throw downfield. Hue and ST coach can get the boot.