Browns Thread: 'Twas fun while it lasted

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  1. HotMic

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  2. goheels10

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    And we still have most cap space.
     
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  3. buckwild

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    That Sporting News link is the Oprah of draft grades....gave 13 teams an A- or better
     
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  6. Corch

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    I'm a little bit surprised they picked it up on Njoku. It doesn't mean they can't move him but I'm a little surprised. I guess we have the money to do it.
     
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  7. Corch

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    You'd think they will work on an extension with Myles after this season
     
  8. SugarShaun

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    I still think they need 3 good TEs with how much Stefanski uses 2 TE sets so I don’t find it shocking or anything and not sure they move him
     
  9. Corch

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    I do like the flexibility of what we could do with three really good pass catching tight ends on the field. You can come out in a heavy formation and run it or go five wide and really mess with the defense
     
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  10. dukebuckeye

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    Its been stated plenty, but I love our draft. I always do because I'm a homer, but I think they knocked it out of the park this year.
     
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  11. Corch

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    I think they knocked it out of the park with Wills, Harris, and Bryant.

    Elliott has a lot of potential, there's got to be a good reason he fell that far. I think this is an ideal situation for DPJ but he's got to learn to catch the ball consistently before he's gonna play a lot here.

    I've warmed up on Delpit a little bit, hopefully he's healthy. Phillips is meh to me, I don't think he'll beat out Wilson, Takitaki, or Goodson.

    If we get three of these guys to second contracts, great.
     
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  12. dukebuckeye

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    Phillips over Malik Harrison was disappointing to me.
     
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  13. SugarShaun

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    I’m still firmly on team Phillips will be better than Queen
     
  14. dukebuckeye

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    I think Phillips has a lower ceiling, but higher floor than Queen.
     
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  15. SugarShaun

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    I would agree with this. But Queen will never hit that ceiling
     
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  16. CTownND

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    So am I correct that in a player drafted between 11 and 32 overall, their fifth year option is equal to the average of between the 3rd and 25th highest paid players at their position from the prior year? So Njoku's option will be averaged between Kelce's $9.4m and Darren Fells' $3m (and all players in between) and will probably cost around $6m, up from his current ~$1.5m salary. Glad we have the cap to do it because I'm still fine with the risk/reward, but wouldn't have loved it if we were more cash strapped and investing $6m in a 3rd TE.
     
  17. dukebuckeye

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    I believe the 5th year option number is the average of the top 5 paid players at that position from the year prior.
     
  18. dukebuckeye

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    Nevermind- I'm wrong.

    The salary for the Fifth-Year Option is also different for two types of players: those selected in the top-ten picks and all other first-round selections.

    The option for top-ten picks is set at an amount equal to the salary of the Transition Tender (set in Article 10, Section 4 of the CBA) for the player’s fourth contract year. This salary is calculated, to put it simply, by finding the average of the top ten highest Prior Year Salaries for players at the same position. Positions are defined by where a player spent the most plays during the previous season (Sec. 7, (a), 31), unless you ask Jimmy Graham.

    For players selected between 11th and 32nd in the draft, the same calculation is used to compute their salaries. The difference lies in what is averaged; rather than the top ten, the 3rd-25th highest Prior Year Salaries for the player’s position will be used.

    If a team decides to use its option, the player can face substantial fines for refusing to report to camp on time and/or at all. Players can be fined up to $30,000 per day of training camp missed and a fine equal to one week’s regular season (1/17 of P5 Salary) check for any preseason games missed.

    The Fifth-Year Option is intended provide teams with more security when it invests a valuable first-round pick on a player.
     
  19. SugarShaun

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    So it’s average of 3rd-25th not 3rd and 25th
     
  20. goheels10

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    5th year option contract $ changed with the new CBA.

    In the proposed Collective Bargaining Agreement agreed to by the NFL ownership on Thursday, fifth-year options for former first-round picks would become fully guaranteed when exercised by the team.

    All first-round picks signs four-year contracts with a team option for the fifth season. Those options have to be exercised after the player’s third full season in the NFL. According to the fact sheet about the proposal sent to players and agents by the NFLPA Thursday evening, exercising the fifth-year option would result in the fourth and fifth years of the deal becoming guaranteed. Under the current CBA, the fifth-year option is currently guaranteed for injury only.

    Additionally, the value of the option itself is no longer tied specifically to draft position and escalators exist for the option to increase based on the performance of the player. For instance, a player that makes the Pro Bowl twice in his first three season would see the valuation of the option increase to the level of the franchise tag for his position. As it currently sits, players in the top 10 picks of the draft have their option value set at the transition tag amount for their position. Picks 11-32 in the first round get a value equal to an average of the third-to-25th ranked salaries for their position.

    With the fact sheet saying the option compensation is no longer tied to draft slot, it would seem likely that all 32 picks in the first round would get the initial transition tag valuation for the option year unless they perform well enough to increase the amount to franchise tag levels.
     
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  21. SugarShaun

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    This doesn’t seem to make a difference. I was thinking maybe there would be more lower salaries in there to bring the cost down but using 2020 salary cap numbers, the average is 6,240,384 but that’s the cap number so that may be a little inflated
     
  22. Eraser

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    Njoku's option would still be based on the CBA in place when he was drafted, wouldn't it?
     
  23. goheels10

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    no. it falls under current CBA.
     
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  24. Corch

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    I'm a homer and when everything else is almost equal, I'd love for the Browns to take the OSU player.

    I don't think every pick should be an OSU player or we should necessarily take one every year but the fact that we have one of the two best NFL factories two hours down the road and we've taken two players from there in 11 years is baffling.
     
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  25. Celemo

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    my official take on DPJ. Dude was probably overrated coming into high school. While at Michigan he was the victim of bad QB play and questionable play calling thanks to Pep. A lot of people (myself included) believe he was entitled and didn't put in 100% effort and he kinda coasted his last year which pissed off a lot of teammates. Rumor has it that if DPJ had come back for his senior year, Nico would've declared. I think the guy has talent. Hopefully falling to the 6th round will be an eye opener for him and he'll be motivated as fuck to get that 2nd contract since he lost out on a ton of money by falling so far.
     
  26. Corch

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    Getting the opportunity to mentored by Jarvis Landry should be really good for him.

    I think Jarvis is the true leader of the team.
     
  27. Celemo

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    agree 100% CLE is a really good place for him. That WR room ain't gonna let shit slide
     
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    Nico is the one offensive weapon on Michigan’s roster which has consistently scared the shit out of me as an Ohio State fan. The guy seemingly makes incredibly difficult catches in tight coverage every week since he arrived on campus in AA, and I don’t think I’ve ever really seen people talk about him as much as he deserves.
     
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  29. goheels10

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    the combination of OBJ & Jarvis and the legit chance he could fight for the WR3 slot should be motivating enough. If not, just let him return punts and let him compete with Natson on returns.
     
  30. Celemo

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    It will be interesting to see what Nico can do with a non Speight/O'Korn/Peters/Shea QB throwing him the ball. He lacks topend speed but I could see him going in the early 3rd round or possibly late 2nd if he puts up crazy numbers. I'd kill for him to have an Isaiah Hodgins type of year
     
  31. Corch

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    Sorry bud but as Roger Daltrey once said "meet the new boss, same as the old boss"
     
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  32. HotMic

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    I didn’t realize Phillips was the SEC’s leading tackler. Not too shabby.
     
  33. Corch

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    Number of tackles is probably the most meaningless stat imo
     
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  34. Celemo

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    see: Te'o, Manti
     
  35. HotMic

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    Not saying I disagree, but also those numbers didn’t dip on the big stage. Tied for the leading tackler in the NC game, leading tackler vs Oklahoma, 2nd leading tackler vs Bama, leading tackler vs Florida.

    I made the D’Qwell Jackson comparison the other day, and I’d gladly take that.
     
  36. Corch

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    I loved Dqwell. If he's that good then the pick is a home run
     
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  37. SugarShaun

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    The tackle % matters more and he led in the as well. He doesn’t miss tackles
     
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  38. 20/20/20/20

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    I don’t think DPJ ends up doing much of anything as a WR, but he was a 6th round pick, what should we really expect? I do think he should be able to legitimately contribute on special teams. And who knows, maybe he does hit as a WR as it’s a huge steal.
     
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  39. goheels10

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    So Myles 5th year is ~$15m and Njoku's is $6m.

    Also... after today at 4pm, FAs can be signed and not count towards compensatory picks. Could be a run on FA starting this evening.
     
  40. Corch

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    The lb free agency class is pretty weak but I'd go after Nigel Bradham
     
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  41. goheels10

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    agree 100%. they've been talking to him for quite a while. Apparently he's rehabbing from an injury
     
  42. CTownND

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    One of my favorite parts of the draft was talking to my best friend on the phone after it on Saturday, where we went down Pro Football Reference historical drafts and remembered some guys from Browns history. Remember taking Chaun Thompson in the second round from West Texas A&M in the 2nd round and being convinced he was the next Ray Lewis? 17 career TDs and 29 career INTs from local legend Charlie Frye in the third round from Akron? 7 sacks in 3 years from 6th overall pick Barkevious Mingo? Or maybe my favorite, second rounder David Veikune from Hawaii in a loaded LB draft - played in 14 career games over two seasons.

    The fact that we're debating the merits of which 6th round WR we should have drafted is a sign that we're as strong as we've been in a long time.
     
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  43. Corch

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    David Veikune is the worst draft pick of all time. Not just the Browns but any professional franchise. I remember when Mangini tried to tell us he compared to Tedy Bruschi.
     
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  44. Corch

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    To be fair Charlie Frye was pretty good at Akron and won Senior Bowl MVP. Not a bad third round pick but not a good pro.
     
  45. Corch

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    He's now the OC at Central Michigan
     
  46. Corch

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    I remember how electric it was when he came into the Battle for the Barge and threw a game winning fade to Braylon for the win
     
  47. CTownND

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    Another fun fact - there were 8 receivers taken in the top 50 picks in 2009, including the Browns taking both Brian Robiskie and Mohammad Massaquoi.

    Adding Robiskie and Massaquoi's career catches is 161, the lowest career catches for any other receiver in the top 8 that year was 202. Two other RBs and 1 TE had more career catches then either in the top 50.

    Passed on Mike Wallace, Brian Hartline, and others in the next couple rounds (and of course Edelman in round 7, but don't really count that).
     
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