California Golden State killer captured

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  1. BuckeyeRiot

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    Lol:
    Initially because of the faux outrage over a hypothetical possible downside to something that will most likely never happen, the DNA database. Throw in a little “think of the kids!”. Add a dash of why am I even trying to point out things to the guy who has never backed down from an opinion. Bring. That to a boil then toss in the quote you replied to having nothing in it about one of my far fetched examples that was the subject of your reply.

    good night:
    I’m done trying to point out that a database of the entire country’s DNA is a bad idea. A database containing the entire country’s anything is a bad idea.
     
  2. Bo Pelinis

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    There's already a database that tracks DNA. It's for medical purposes. It's actually a really great thing so that physicians can have a larger sample size to figure out where rare diseases come from.
     
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  3. BuckeyeRiot

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    I mean just suppose your health insurance provider got access to you sequence to run against known genetic disposition to illnesses or diseases. I’m sure they wouldn’t jack up your rates or refuse to insure you...
     
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  4. Bo Pelinis

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    It's almost like you can't pass laws...or something.
     
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  5. BuckeyeRiot

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    But is it mandatory and run by the police/law enforcement?
     
  6. BWC

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    Our DNA isn't even ours, at least not most of it.
     
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  7. BuckeyeRiot

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    Is it that time a day where we pretend like the rule of law still applies To the current administration?
     
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  8. Bo Pelinis

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    No. It's run by doctors for increasing medical knowledge. But there it is, for public consumption. And it's not mandatory.
     
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  9. Bo Pelinis

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  10. Bo Pelinis

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    On one hand you have the way it's actually used and on the other you have some weird hypothetical near conspiracy level thought
     
  11. dblplay1212

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    The only "lol" I see is your insane hypothetical.

    It's cool, you're more worried about "Muuuuuh rights!!!!" than actual justice being served. You're like the "MUUUUH GUNS!!!!" guy that doesn't give a shit about kids dying so that he can play Army on the weekends. Maybe one day you'll think past how something affects just you.
     
  12. BuckeyeRiot

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    So it’s not the ‘idea’ that Dbl is championing then? I’m not blind to the fact that DNA databases exist. My argument is a compulsory DNA database is controlled by the government or law-enforcement is probably not a road we would want to go down.
     
  13. dblplay1212

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    lol this guy is so "THE GOVT IS OUT TO GET MEEEEEEEEE!" that it's sad.
     
  14. hipsterjoe

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    I bet they would

    stupid
     
  15. Bo Pelinis

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    I'm not for compulsory participation but if everyone were in there we'd prob have a lot better chances of finding out the causes for lots of kids dying or living terrible lives. But this is near and dear to me so I'm not the best person to be impartial.
     
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  16. BuckeyeRiot

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    Yeah pretty much MUH RIGHTS!!! I’ll agree to that. If you think a DNA database containing the entire population of this country’s DNA sequences is just about me then we don’t even have footing to talk about this.
     
  17. Bo Pelinis

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    Yeah. It isn't just about you.
     
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    It's about the greater good.
     
  19. Bo Pelinis

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    That database isn't even 10 years old. They know so little about a ton of rare diseases and insurance rarely/uncommonly covers those tests so the participation isn't nearly what you would want. Each test is 5-10k out of pocket. Just things to think about.
     
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  20. BuckeyeRiot

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    Agreed that it could do vast amounts of good. But similar to you, working in IT, network/data security is not something I can be impartial about.
     
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  21. Bo Pelinis

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    But those tests aren't really the same as 23 and me so we're sort of comparing apples to oranges.
     
  22. Bo Pelinis

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    That's fine. But if it even saves one life, which it mostly certainly does, or improves a life, which it most certainly does, where's that fall on the potential cost/benefit analysis? I'm generally a fan of privacy rights but man. I've seen it work. Seen a whole exome sequencing test take a kid that was likely to be wheelchair bound and completely immobile and turned that kid into somebody who may develop typically.

    That's more important to me than privacy.
     
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    I’m not going to sit here and say fuck that kid, protect my DNA, but there’s a fundamental difference to what we’re talking about and what Dbl is a proponent of.

    Agree to disagree man.
     
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  24. dblplay1212

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    This is where I am. If there were an open database that I could throw my DNA in that could somehow help Dr's help kids, I'd drive there this week and offer it up. I can't imagine being so selfish to not do that. If there is a place to do that, let me know.
     
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  25. 941Gator

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    skipped through the thread, but just wanted to add DNA transfer is becoming a major issue. the tests for dna are so good that they are finding multiple profiles on practically every piece of evidence, so you're getting dna on an item at a scene from someone who has never touched that item or been to that scene.

    as for taking dna without a warrant, you're referring to discarded materials like trash. Def a loop-hole.

    Police do trash-pulls all the time and I consider it to be bullshit. SCOTUS has allowed police to walk into backyards and dig through people's stuff without a warrant, all because it was in trashbags. Here is an excerpt from a motion where my guy kept his trash bags hidden behind a fence in a small gated area. Our local Judge ruled the evidence was admissible.



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  26. dblplay1212

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    Not really. A national database would 1) help get guilty people off the street and 2) be used by Dr's to advance healthcare.

    I don't see a downside that trumps those two but I don't live in fear of the govt.
     
  27. dblplay1212

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    So he was guilty and they caught him.

    What's the issue?
     
  28. Bo Pelinis

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    Good question. They usually take samples from all family members during the course of a test but I don't know if there's a way to donate blood solely for the database. Will check on that and report back.
     
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  29. 941Gator

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    which part are you referencing?
     
  30. dblplay1212

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    The 2nd part, where they got his DNA from his trash.
     
  31. soulfly

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    I’m aware of the stance the courts have taken; what I’m saying is that I disagree with it. When we’re getting into the day and age where we can start identifying suspects based on the close DNA match of a relative, a search warrant Also, shit like the below is wild:

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/nati...n-police-say-it-cracked-year-old-murder-case/


    Check out this wild shit

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/nati...n-police-say-it-cracked-year-old-murder-case/
     
  32. BWC

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    There's most definitely a downside. There always is with advances in biotech.
     
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    Lmao. What’s the problem? The problem, dbl, is the fourth fucking amendment
     
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    I don't find that unreasonable.
     
  36. dblplay1212

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    I see we're back to "MUUUUUUUUUUUH RIGHTS!" instead of "Hey they caught a killer after 28 years. That's awesome!" A database would have had a murderer off the streets years ago. I fail to see an issue with that.
     
  37. BWC

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    You act like this is a bad thing. I get it if you want to change the laws, but the fundamental Amendment that governs warrants suggests that there's nothing improper, nor illegal, that's happening. I agree that laws must change with the times, but I don't see it here. What kind of rights are being infringed exactly?
     
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    Do you understand what the fourth amendment is? And yeah. I am about muhhhhhh rights :roll: what a stupid god damn thing to try and make fun of.
     
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    sorry, should have clarified. they were told he was a cocaine dealer so they went and did trash pulls. they found marijuana in the trash and went and got a search warrant for the entire house based on the assumption that he must now sell weed. Mind you, this all stemmed from bad information from a neighbor that was told a lie ("your neighbor sells cocaine you should tell the cops"). The police went in and tore the house up and broke some family statue of some kind while looking for drugs. unfortunately while in the house they found more weed and some adderal, so he went to jail.

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  40. 941Gator

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    Unrelated question.........But dblplay1212 in reply to you writing "so he was guilty, what is the issue?" ....I'm curious, are you ok with the police breaking the law if someone is guilty? Is that your stance?

    And before you get into semantics, this question is not connected to the previous post abut that specific trash pull. I agree that the police did not break the law in the case (I disagree with the law) I posted the excerpt of the motion from.
     
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  41. Bo Pelinis

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    I'm ok with trash pulls at the curb. That's no longer your shit. Behind a fence where police are incapable of retrieving it without trespassing is crazy town to me.
     
  42. dblplay1212

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    Ok that's a completely different story than what we're talking about here. I thought you meant they went in his trash to get a Coke can to run his DNA for a murder like we were talking about.
     
  43. soulfly

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    “The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.”

    This dude had a coworker at his place of private employment take a can he drank off and hand it over to police. This after his employer refused to cooperate with police. That’s wild. And infringes on his rights.

    I get that you guys would rather choose to overlook it if it’s getting results, but I will, and always have been notoriously pro rights of those facing incarceration, those that are incarcerated, and pro prison reform.
     
  44. dblplay1212

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    No, they need to follow set laws and procedures. I just don't think digging through someone's trash should be considered unreasonable.
     
  45. BWC

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    Almost like all other searches and seizures. The amendment doesn't read that you have to give permission for anything you've ever touched. It's unreasonable searches and seizures. If you no longer possess something, I'd like to see the argument that it's unreasonable to search and seize it.
     
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  46. BuckeyeRiot

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    I have no issue with voluntary DNA databases. I wouldn’t do it, but that’s a personal choice and I wouldn’t begrudge you from doing it of you’re own volition.
     
  47. dblplay1212

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    "secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures"

    Where does someone picking up a bottle he discarded go against the above?
     
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    bc you care more about your "privacy" and your fear of the govt than the greater good of humans. That's sad, man.
     
  49. BWC

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    "their"