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Discussion in 'The Mainboard' started by Toast, Apr 25, 2018.
Expectation of privacy doesn't extend to places like work fam. You get your house and your car.
If you killed someone you better live somewhere where it's ok to burn your trash and never leave anything unattended in public. I don't think that's an unreasonable expectation for someone evading capture for murder.
I say take it a step further and say that they can’t step onto private property at all to get the trash. If they can reach from standing on the street then so be it.
Whatever the expectation is for the trash man that's what the police have to do imo
Good I agree. You would be surprised at how many people do not care if the police lie as long as it is focused on people that deserve it.
ugh, theyre an invited guest/invitee though
The courts have argued it isn’t. I disagree with them. But you did take the stance of “what’s wrong with digging around in someone’s backyard if they’re guilty?” so it’s not reasonable to even try and argue why I disagree.
True. I can be swayed.
That said, I think there should be a national DNA database and police should have decent leeway in collecting DNA in certain level cases like murder and rape.
Yeah why should I care about privacy. It’s only one of the 10 most important laws written into the founding of our country. What a silly thing to waste parchment on.
Distrusting the government and wanting your privacy are more American than apple pie.
I'm willing to listen to why you think something that someone discarded should be covered by the 4th.
Let me guess, you're a huge 2nd amendment guy too, right? Stockpile of guns in case the govt turns on us?
I own zero guns, never have. I’m not a hunter and I just assume The sight of a fat naked hairy man running at an intruder it will be enough to make them exit my home.
Are you a big defender of the 2nd amendment?
yeah well, just be careful with how much leeway you give law enforcement.
Apologies to those wanting to read about the GSK KIller.
I’m not a big defender of much of anything to be honest. And I’m not knowledgeable enough in the nuances of what types of guns should and shouldn’t be allowed. I can see the argument for guns as sport and hunting, but I don’t think a person needs 50 guns and a house full of ammo either. Times change, technology changes, I don’t think the what the founders of the constitution meant with the second amendment has much correlation to current day armaments.
Yet you're so dead set on the 4th and how much privacy we should have and how the govt would do these terrible things with our DNA? I find that odd.
We literally have a fucking debate thread.
Relevant sidebar, given the direction of catching serial killers lately
You shouldn’t. My stance is keep the government out of my day to day life. Don’t tell me I can or can’t have a gun, don’t tell me I have to give you my DNA, don’t tell me I can’t say something. Hold me accountable if I negatively impact someone else through a willful act or as an unintended consequence of an action I made just as I hope someone would be held accountable should they do the same to me. Other than that, peace be with you.
A DNA database would help accomplish this.
That’s not the discussion though. What you proposed and I disagreed with is a mandatory giving over of one’s unique DNA sequence.
So you agree it would help but you just put your privacy over that. That's where we disagree.
Well actually, my privacy, your privacy, the other 372.2 million Americans privacy.
I think that's pretty selfish and pretty shitty, honestly.
If I'm being completely honest, it makes me pretty skeptical of you. What do you have to hide? You have some bodies on you? Kiddie diddler? Not just you, but anyone that has your stance. Personally I have nothing to hide so I'm cool with using my DNA for whatever you want.
Ah god. Having strong Patriot Act deja vu right now.
We all know you have some bodies on you so no reason to even ask. I understand why you're so pro-criminal rights.
That’s fine. You can feel that way about me.
I liter my seed about the land, of it happens to land on a dead hooker or 57 (who’s counting though) so be it.
I don’t think the not wanting to share personal DNA being disingenuous. I have a horrible family health history and I’d hate for insurance companies to jack my rate up because I have markers for certain diseases.
I'm all for Woke Dbl, but it's personally reasonable to be against the government having your DNA.
Apparently there was a law enacted in 08 to help prevent this but if you request your DNA added to your electronic health record it’s then governed by HIPPA and accessable by law enforcement. Actually the strongest law to prevent this is the so called Obama Care act which prevents insurance from using your preexisting conditions to deny your coverage.
very reasonable to not want the gov't to have a giant database with your dna in it.
Police ID suspect in 1972 murder of 11-year-old California girl
A 47-year-old mystery as to who killed an 11-year-old girl last seen on Thanksgiving Day in 1972 has been solved, Torrance police said on Wednesday, as they named a man who died in Arizona in 2003 as the murder suspect.
Terri Lynn Hollis had gone on a bike ride and never returned home, with her body found the next day near Point Mugu in Oxnard, along the shoreline of the Pacific Ocean.
Randy Hollis remembers his younger sister as someone who was head strong and always determined.
“She would have grown up and been somebody,” Hollis said. “She had a lot of drive.”
At a press conference held at the city’s police station, it was announced that the cold case had been cracked.
Officials did not disclose details of Hollis’ apparent kidnapping or how or why she ended up in Oxnard but did say she was sexually assaulted and strangled to death by Jake Edward Brown, who was then 36.
“This crime is what nightmares are made of,” Torrance’s Chief Eve Irvine said. “No family should ever have to go through such a tragedy.”
On Nov. 23, 1972, Terri left her home in the 2600 block of Dalemead Street in Torrance to go for a bike ride. Torrance police received a call the following morning from the Ventura County Sheriff’s Department that her body had been found on the rocks along the shoreline.
For years, efforts to locate her killer were unsuccessful.
Detectives conducted more than 2,000 interviews and DNA searches, Chief Irvine said.
In 2000, detectives reopened the case file and submitted DNA for comparative testing to the Combined DNA Index System, but received no matches.
Fifteen years later, the department contracted with Virginia-based Parabon-NanoLabs, which conducted a genetic-genealogy analysis on the DNA and, last year, found a potential relative of Brown’s through a public database, officials said.
That eventually led detectives to Maricopa County, Arizona, where Brown had died and was buried.
Detectives exhumed his body and collected bone remains. Police used a company named DNA Labs International in Florida to determine his DNA was a match to evidence collected by the Ventura County Sheriff’s Department.
Brown, also known as Thomas Tracy Burum, was not in custody when he died.
But he had arrests for suspicion of robbery, a narcotics violation and a rape in April 1973 and another a year later, police said. The first of those two incidents occurred in Los Angeles.
It wasn’t known if he was convicted of those crimes, but the police chief did say Brown had served time behind bars before dying from ill health.
Police did not know why Brown was in Torrance at the time of Terri’s disappearance, but they said he had multiple addresses in Southern California. He was not known to Terri’s family, police said.
“There was something about the possibility that she might have known her killer that, in some ways, was comforting for a community that thought, ‘This is not just some predator, right?’ But it turns out that’s exactly what it was,” said Jim Wallace, a now-retired Torrance police detective who reopened the case in 2000.
Wallace, who grew up in town with a father on the force and was 10 at the time of the crimes, remembers the case from his childhood.
Randy Hollis, who was 16 at the time of his sister’s disappearance, said he mourns every Thanksgiving and is thankful for the Police Department’s continuous work on the case.
“I only wish my parents were still alive to see this,” he said.
The incident had an impact on the family, of course, especially his father, who became more involved in the Neighborhood Watch program and routinely walked other children along their neighborhood street, Randy Hollis recalled.
“It changed him,” he said.
He also shared his thoughts for other families enduring unsolved murder cases.
“Don’t lose the heart or the drive for resolution,” he said. “You just never know if something will come up and lead to a case being solved.”
Lil weiner boy scared to die.
Good. We shouldn’t have a death penalty anyway.
Hope they make it contingent on him spilling his guts. Maybe give a little closure to the families.
Plea, no plea, whatever. He is dying in prison.
He doesn’t seem like type to brag/talk. From what I’ve read. More or less in denial.
The case of the Visalia Ransacker is finally closed.
Aren’t most guilty pleas contingent on sone sort of allocution by the defendant?
No I think they outlawed the chair years ago
Nope. Most guilty pleas aren’t even an actual guilty plea.
Well fuck Law & Order
I'd prefer he was killed, but happy to see it will be a quick resolution.
Regardless he’d probably wouldn’t make it to his execution date. Any sentences I’d a death sentence.
He's already stolen enough air and if he prefers to stay alive, then I wish it was taken from him. Either way, he will be gone soon...just my preference for his demise.
I get what you’re saying but unless you’re arguing we change the rules of appeals etc just for him even if he got the death penalty he’d never live long enough to see it carried out.